Ultimo-Hombre Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 So when PCC happens, those who shoot pistols at USPSA matches will be at the bottom of the food chain. Will that effect your desire to come out and shoot matches? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
selecw Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 I don't follow. Why will handgun shooters be bottom of the food chain? They will certainly be shooting faster than the carbine carriers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tech32 Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 I don't understand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FearsomeCritter Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 So when PCC happens, those who shoot pistols at USPSA matches will be at the bottom of the food chain. Will that effect your desire to come out and shoot matches? No. There is no food chain. People won't stop shooting matches because someone else is shooting a +/- faster platform in a different division just like how SS/Prod dudes don't bail on the match entirely just because an open shooter is there. PCC isn't necessarily going to be the fastest for alot of stages anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimo-Hombre Posted February 12, 2016 Author Share Posted February 12, 2016 I don't follow. Why will handgun shooters be bottom of the food chain? They will certainly be shooting faster than the carbine carriers. A carbine rifle is faster and more accurate than a pistol. Head to head, pistols cannot compete. In a match overall rankings, a rifle will be dominant. Will you still want to shoot a USPSA. Match given that those who bring a PCC will destroy you? I really don't care, just consider the question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MilkMyDuds Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 I will hate seeing the "meta" of the stage significantly change due to the addition of rifles. Many targeted training and practice may go down the drain. It would make the once-a-year rule change in IDPA look good. I will shoot a match including PCC and decide. Sent from my GT-N7105 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootingchef Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 Since we don't all play in the same DIVISION, looking at overalls is a waste of time and false ego stroking. PCC and OP are smart plays to get MORE people into the game and into our clubs, I'm all for anything that grows the sport of Action shooting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onepocket Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 I disagree politely. Open and limited will still rule in that order. PCC will be scored minor and a rifle is harder to maneuver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r01 Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 I don't follow. Why will handgun shooters be bottom of the food chain? They will certainly be shooting faster than the carbine carriers. A carbine rifle is faster and more accurate than a pistol. Head to head, pistols cannot compete. In a match overall rankings, a rifle will be dominant. Will you still want to shoot a USPSA. Match given that those who bring a PCC will destroy you? I really don't care, just consider the question. Most stages at a USPSA match open guns will still dominate with mobility and scoring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FearsomeCritter Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 I will hate seeing the "meta" of the stage significantly change due to the addition of rifles. Many targeted training and practice may go down the drain. It would make the once-a-year rule change in IDPA look good. I will shoot a match including PCC and decide. Sent from my GT-N7105 using Tapatalk No indication that literally any of this will happen. You think PCC dudes wanna just sit back and take long shots all day? Hellz no. I wanna hose just like everyone else. This fear of stages all of a sudden changing to any measurable degree, let alone enough to render your training pointless, is pretty hyperbolic. Stop practicing if you want, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FearsomeCritter Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 I disagree politely. Open and limited will still rule in that order. PCC will be scored minor and a rifle is harder to maneuver. Exactly, I'll crush steel faster with PCC but any close to mid distance stage, or any stage with lots of movement will favor Major Lim/Open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
selecw Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 I want to see the data on this one. I've tried head to heads a few times and found that the handgun was faster at short range (up to 10 yards), depending on the optics fitted to the PCC and the type of sling used. After that distance, the carbine will be faster and more accurate. PCC will add fun to matches but the food chain idea doesn't hold water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MilkMyDuds Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 Since we don't all play in the same DIVISION, looking at overalls is a waste of time and false ego stroking. PCC and OP are smart plays to get MORE people into the game and into our clubs, I'm all for anything that grows the sport of Action shooting. If PCC can bring in 1% new members a year (about 250 or so), is it still worth it? I'd say 2-3% growth for adding a new division is the minimal to make sense.Sent from my GT-N7105 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FearsomeCritter Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 Since we don't all play in the same DIVISION, looking at overalls is a waste of time and false ego stroking. PCC and OP are smart plays to get MORE people into the game and into our clubs, I'm all for anything that grows the sport of Action shooting. If PCC can bring in 1% new members a year (about 250 or so), is it still worth it? I'd say 2-3% growth for adding a new division is the minimal to make sense.Sent from my GT-N7105 using Tapatalk There is no requirement that adding a division has to be tied to membership increase. You are making numbers up. Fun will be had by all. Praise be PCC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MilkMyDuds Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 It's important because I thought increasing participation is the metric that Mr. Foley uses for his presidentship. Sent from my GT-N7105 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimo-Hombre Posted February 12, 2016 Author Share Posted February 12, 2016 I disagree politely. Open and limited will still rule in that order. PCC will be scored minor and a rifle is harder to maneuver.Exactly, I'll crush steel faster with PCC but any close to mid distance stage, or any stage with lots of movement will favor Major Lim/Open. Wow. You will crush steel faster? Guess I should carry your range bag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FearsomeCritter Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 It's important because I thought increasing participation is the metric that Mr. Foley uses for his presidentship. Sent from my GT-N7105 using Tapatalk Presidentship is not just PCC. PCC is not the only thing Foley does or is measured by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFO Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 I disagree, I have shot at least half a dozen matches against a PCC in a 5 stage match and have never lost to him, and they place him in my division because they don't want to put him in with the other divisions. I shoot Revolver.................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 I don't follow. Why will handgun shooters be bottom of the food chain? They will certainly be shooting faster than the carbine carriers. A carbine rifle is faster and more accurate than a pistol. Head to head, pistols cannot compete. In a match overall rankings, a rifle will be dominant. Will you still want to shoot a USPSA. Match given that those who bring a PCC will destroy you? I really don't care, just consider the question. is that why you switched to open, to be at the top of the food chain? lol. as an SS shooter, i don't really care about the food chain or winning the match overall. I just try to get closer to the guys shooting open and limited (and production!!!) that are winning our matches overall. I also suspect that except for 1 particular individual at our club, most pcc shooters will be doofuses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FearsomeCritter Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 I disagree politely. Open and limited will still rule in that order. PCC will be scored minor and a rifle is harder to maneuver.Exactly, I'll crush steel faster with PCC but any close to mid distance stage, or any stage with lots of movement will favor Major Lim/Open. Wow. You will crush steel faster? Guess I should carry your range bag. I'm pretty shitty at steel so lots of room to move up. No need to carry my bag, your wife/gf/whatever has that job (omg that's a joke, I'm not trying to hurt feelers. You have to admit it is kinda funny. If you saw my face right now you'd know I'm sincerely not trying to troll you). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimo-Hombre Posted February 12, 2016 Author Share Posted February 12, 2016 I disagree politely. Open and limited will still rule in that order. PCC will be scored minor and a rifle is harder to maneuver.Exactly, I'll crush steel faster with PCC but any close to mid distance stage, or any stage with lots of movement will favor Major Lim/Open.Wow. You will crush steel faster? Guess I should carry your range bag. I'm pretty shitty at steel so lots of room to move up. No need to carry my bag, your wife/gf/whatever has that job (omg that's a joke, I'm not trying to hurt feelers. You have to admit it is kinda funny. If you saw my face right now you'd know I'm sincerely not trying to troll you). Lol! We're good bro! Well played! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZackJones Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 I don't follow. Why will handgun shooters be bottom of the food chain? They will certainly be shooting faster than the carbine carriers. A carbine rifle is faster and more accurate than a pistol. Head to head, pistols cannot compete. In a match overall rankings, a rifle will be dominant. Will you still want to shoot a USPSA. Match given that those who bring a PCC will destroy you? I really don't care, just consider the question. IMO overall match results are for bragging rights against your buddies only. I don't see how the introduction of PCC is going to change that one bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onepocket Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 Come on Zack, stop being such a nice guy... You know you want to crush some nuts with that new W.O. gun of yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FearsomeCritter Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 Yea Zach, don't you want cry havoc, crush a plate rack, and have the ladies flock to you and your carbine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 Yea Zach, don't you want cry havoc, crush a plate rack, and have the ladies flock to you and your carbine? I just talked to some ladies about PCC and they were like "what kind of emasculated doofus would shoot a pcc? is it to compensate for the lack of endowment of their *other* barrel" so draw your own conclusions about that. I'm not really a rifle guy. I like practicing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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