IronArcher Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 I like the production15 over unlimited as it would be more inclusive than unlimited as long as it fits. I could also live with mags must be of no greater capacity than what comes with the gun. Why not "learn to reload"? It isn't the reloading, it's the leaving an extra mag worth of ammo laying in the dirt/mud from those 3 reloads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronArcher Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 That and calling it limited but using the vast majority of production's rules is counter intuitive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d_striker Posted February 3, 2016 Author Share Posted February 3, 2016 I like the production15 over unlimited as it would be more inclusive than unlimited as long as it fits. I could also live with mags must be of no greater capacity than what comes with the gun. Why not "learn to reload"? It isn't the reloading, it's the leaving an extra mag worth of ammo laying in the dirt/mud from those 3 reloads. Yup. I actually don't mind reloading as I practice it constantly. I look at it as an area where I can potentially pick up time on others. Like you, what I don't like is shooting a target and dropping a mag or even shooting two targets and dropping a mag. In this area of discussion, someone invariably shouts "but 8 round arrays!" I rarely shoot stages that are run here shoot 8, run there shoot 8. What I often see are two adjoining arrays that equal 12 or 14. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d_striker Posted February 3, 2016 Author Share Posted February 3, 2016 That and calling it limited but using the vast majority of production's rules is counter intuitive. I agree. Suggestions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronArcher Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 That and calling it limited but using the vast majority of production's rules is counter intuitive. I agree. Suggestions? Your production 15 would be the way I would go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskapopo Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 No, it's a joke. Really. No more of a joke than PCC is. PCC is cool not just a redefined pistol division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teros135 Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 Agreed. It does sound like fun but belongs in its own domain or with multi-gun, or as a side match (if there's time & space), which might be the best place for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4me2ply Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 I'm relatively new to this sport so what is the process once a new division is proposed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 I'm relatively new to this sport so what is the process once a new division is proposed? Everyone freaks the f*#$ out and argues incessantly on the internet about it. I'm not sure that process is in the bylaws, but it's pretty consistent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4me2ply Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 I'm relatively new to this sport so what is the process once a new division is proposed? Everyone freaks the f*#$ out and argues incessantly on the internet about it. I'm not sure that process is in the bylaws, but it's pretty consistent. LOL....^yes I've noticed the freaking the f*out part Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richc2048 Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 Sadly that's 100% correct so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 I don't think it's all that sad. I think it would wise to concentrate on 1 thing at a time, and introducing new divisions willynilly seems silly, Billy. I don't really care about pcc as long as it doesn't make my match experience worse, but we clearly haven't really gotten carry optics off the ground yet, and I already think we have too many divisions, but whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskapopo Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 Agreed. It does sound like fun but belongs in its own domain or with multi-gun, or as a side match (if there's time & space), which might be the best place for it. I disagree. It does not belong with multi gun as that is for real rifles, shotguns and pistols. A pistol caliber carbine is a natural at a pistol match. Pat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d_striker Posted February 3, 2016 Author Share Posted February 3, 2016 I'm relatively new to this sport so what is the process once a new division is proposed? Everyone freaks the f*#$ out and argues incessantly on the internet about it. I'm not sure that process is in the bylaws, but it's pretty consistent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray_Z Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 Besides the differences in the amount of ammo in the mags, will someone please tell me what the difference is between this and Production division. That ten round number was brought into play for political reasons anyway. So why don't they change the max rounds in the mag to fifteen and leave everything else alone? If we did that, wouldn't we be in line with IPSC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richc2048 Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Many internal modifications allowed in Uspsa make it illegal in ipsc. But yea. 15 with production rules would be sweet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sperman Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 No, it's a joke. Really. No more of a joke than PCC is. PCC is cool not just a redefined pistol division. Correct. It is a rifle division, and as such, has no place in a pistol match. I don't care what caliber your rifle shoots, it's not a pistol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onepocket Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Hahahahaha. Its coming to a match near you very soon. Embrace it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Many internal modifications allowed in Uspsa make it illegal in ipsc. But yea. 15 with production rules would be sweet for people that suck at reloading and are too lazy to practice. fixed for you, as a free public service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskapopo Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 No, it's a joke. Really. No more of a joke than PCC is. PCC is cool not just a redefined pistol division. Correct. It is a rifle division, and as such, has no place in a pistol match. I don't care what caliber your rifle shoots, it's not a pistol. I disagree about it not belonging. These weapons were designed for pistol ranges in mind and its a perfect avenue to test them out. I get that many on here have no interest in shooting anything besides pistols and thats fine but me shooting a PCC does not ruin your pistol match lol. We are not competing against other divisions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskapopo Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Many internal modifications allowed in Uspsa make it illegal in ipsc. But yea. 15 with production rules would be sweet for people that suck at reloading and are too lazy to practice. fixed for you, as a free public service. Or who don't want to have to buy 4 or 5 magazine holders and extra mags to go in them. Pat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d_striker Posted February 4, 2016 Author Share Posted February 4, 2016 How is loading a gun to roughly 55% of its inherent capacity practical? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronArcher Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Many internal modifications allowed in Uspsa make it illegal in ipsc. But yea. 15 with production rules would be sweet as changing mags in a full sized double stack mag after 4 rounds is sillyfixed for you, as a free public service. Further improved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mont1120 Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 I'm relatively new to this sport so what is the process once a new division is proposed? Everyone freaks the f*#$ out and argues incessantly on the internet about it. I'm not sure that process is in the bylaws, but it's pretty consistent. That is the best answer I have read in years, and how true....the last "discussion" on eliminating L10 was replete with controversy, accusation, and endless wit, just the proper recipe for fun things to do in the cold dark months of non shooting wintertime in the great NW.......I sure hope it quits snowing some day now...... I can see the computer program to add each individual proposed shooting platform will render Kindles useless since it won't contain enough memory to calculate each division, sub rule, odd penalty, and shooters eye color. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teros135 Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 How is loading a gun to roughly 55% of its inherent capacity practical? Nobody said it's "practical". It's the rule, and it seems to work just fine in one of the most popular divisions. Why do we always seem to be wanting to change everything? "Change is good" is just a point of view, not necessarily the right thing to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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