Nebwake Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 (edited) I have a non-competitive shooting trip coming up in TX and just found out they don't allow .223 in the event so i need to build a new upper. I have parts galore (stocked up a few years ago:)) so really all I need is a barrel and gas block. What would you guys recommend? It seems like 6.8 and 6.5 barrels harder to find now days compared to 300 blk being all the rage... i am looking for terminal energy effectiveness and overall ballistic performance of the 3 compared. Edited November 17, 2015 by Nebwake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrswanson1 Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 Bison Armory for 6.8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtm Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 Having shot quite a few Texas hogs, I can assure you that Texas doesn't care what you shoot them with! with that said the blackout is much less than stellar in sub-sonic loadings. I would use full on 300 Blackout ammo, Grendel or 6.8. All are about the same in effectiveness. I have seen quite a few pig downed with 55 gr. 223 ammo, but all the ones I've seen shot with sub-sonic 300 blkout, have all required multiple hit and even then most ran off never to be found. I usually use an AR-10, but as of late I built up a 458 SCOM and it has become my favorite...no not because I am worried about getting charged or any of that nonsense, but Where I shoot them the brush is very thick and everything has big old thorns on it. I just don't want them running off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TennJeep1618 Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 (edited) 6.8. ARP makes great barrels and bolts. Edited November 16, 2015 by TennJeep1618 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nebwake Posted November 16, 2015 Author Share Posted November 16, 2015 Having shot quite a few Texas hogs, I can assure you that Texas doesn't care what you shoot them with! with that said the blackout is much less than stellar in sub-sonic loadings. I would use full on 300 Blackout ammo, Grendel or 6.8. All are about the same in effectiveness. I have seen quite a few pig downed with 55 gr. 223 ammo, but all the ones I've seen shot with sub-sonic 300 blkout, have all required multiple hit and even then most ran off never to be found. I usually use an AR-10, but as of late I built up a 458 SCOM and it has become my favorite...no not because I am worried about getting charged or any of that nonsense, but Where I shoot them the brush is very thick and everything has big old thorns on it. I just don't want them running off. Yea I'm sure TX doesn't care, I guess the ranch does though... They did say I could shoot .223 but would have to use that RIP ammo. RIP's website gives a pretty decent accuracy guarantee of 2" at 25m and at $40 per box, I'll pass... I'm guessing this place is just like you described being full of thorns and nasty cover. Its slightly east of SA. First time going for hogs so I'm pretty excited to say the least! Luckily we don't have any here in Nebraska. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striped1 Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 It is all about shot placement. Don't shoot them like deer, just behind front shoulder as it will be a gut shot. In a line from earhole to eye is perfect. DRT every time. Hornady TAP ammo is what I use in .308 or .223. Never had one run off. But to your question, for hogs, 6.8 frm Bison or Wilson would be pretty damn good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lee blackman Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 Welcome to Texas That said, shooting hog here is an eradication effort. Please come and kill as many as you can. You can shoot them with anything that will kill them, up to an including sharp sticks, rocks, twin particle phalanx..... You ain't got to be fancy, regular old cheap 223rem wolf or tula works fine within reason. That Remington Hog Hammer with the barnes TSX bullets is nice, maybe does a little better, but expensive per shot. But if you wanna get a little more reach without stepping up to a bigger gun, that little 6.5grendel will probably fit the bill. Hope ya have an AWESOME time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isurg Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 I've killed a lot of deer here in KY with 6.8. seems great out to 200yds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJH Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 I was just having this same basic conversation with myself, in the end I went out and bought an economy 308 bolt gun for less than I could build/buy an upper and I have much more power to boot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccoker Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 6.8 is my favorite for hunting, and I have a 556, 300 BO, 308 AR, etc.. Killed a lot deer and hogs with one, they just work. Hornady 120SST is my favorite factory ammo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonytheTiger Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 Surprised this thread is still open... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nebwake Posted November 17, 2015 Author Share Posted November 17, 2015 Surprised this thread is still open...Why?Sent from my SM-G860P using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonytheTiger Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Surprised this thread is still open...Why?Sent from my SM-G860P using Tapatalk http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?app=forums&module=extras§ion=boardrules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nebwake Posted November 17, 2015 Author Share Posted November 17, 2015 (edited) Not really a hunting thread. Just wanting opinions on 3 calibers and pros/cons of them. Easy enough to kill the hunt aspect of it.... Sent from my SM-G860P using Tapatalk Edited November 17, 2015 by Nebwake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonytheTiger Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 In that case you'll have to state your intended use before anyone can offer you any useful insight. The three cartridges have entirely different purposes. The 300BLK specializes in being suppressed and taking just a barrel to be up and running. The Grendel qualifies as the most long range capable factory cartridge you can fit in an AR. The 6.8 is a fantastic example of an attempt at Tacticool turned commercial failure! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nebwake Posted November 17, 2015 Author Share Posted November 17, 2015 (edited) Sorry, edited OP to conform to forum rules.... I do like the 6.5 for sure but like the ease of swap for the 300 blk. You need different mags for a 6.5 though dont you? Sent from my SM-G860P using Tapatalk Edited November 17, 2015 by Nebwake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doellemite Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Personally, I have found 300blk to have the best penetration/ energy dispersion. I shoot 155 gr A-max on top of 14gr of Accurate #9. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nebwake Posted November 17, 2015 Author Share Posted November 17, 2015 Have you chronoed that load? Sent from my SM-G860P using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonytheTiger Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Sorry, edited OP to conform to forum rules.... I do like the 6.5 for sure but like the ease of swap for the 300 blk. You need different mags for a 6.5 though dont you? Sent from my SM-G860P using Tapatalk Yup, you need 6.5 specific mags. IIRC magpul made some 6.8 specific mags too because 223 mags didn't work as well as advertised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunther Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 I'd go with the 300blk you can get away with just swapping the barrel, any GI mags work fine. 110gr, 150gr bullets and anything in between work wonders! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccoker Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 In that case you'll have to state your intended use before anyone can offer you any useful insight. The three cartridges have entirely different purposes. The 300BLK specializes in being suppressed and taking just a barrel to be up and running. The Grendel qualifies as the most long range capable factory cartridge you can fit in an AR. The 6.8 is a fantastic example of an attempt at Tacticool turned commercial failure! How in the world do you think it was a commercial failure? There is a lot of 6.8 ammo on the market and more coming out all the time from major players. At least in Texas, it is a LOT more popular for hunters than the 300 or 6.5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonytheTiger Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 In that case you'll have to state your intended use before anyone can offer you any useful insight. The three cartridges have entirely different purposes. The 300BLK specializes in being suppressed and taking just a barrel to be up and running. The Grendel qualifies as the most long range capable factory cartridge you can fit in an AR. The 6.8 is a fantastic example of an attempt at Tacticool turned commercial failure! How in the world do you think it was a commercial failure? There is a lot of 6.8 ammo on the market and more coming out all the time from major players. At least in Texas, it is a LOT more popular for hunters than the 300 or 6.5. Maybe it's a regional thing, the 6.8 is unheard of around here, the rifles don't sell and the ammo collects dust on the shelves. Not so with the other two. Also AR's haven't become extremely popular for hunting yet in my area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonytheTiger Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 I can't understand it's existence personally, it's not much more powerful than the 6.5, and even if there where high BC bullet options you couldn't load them because of brass length relative to mag allowable space. The high BC 6.5 bullets show the 6.8 the taillights once they get downrange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathanb Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 I went with the 300 blk but mine is a sbr where it maintains velocity well and will match up to the can much better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccoker Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 Long range (out of a longer barrel) and the 6.5 wins, SBR out of a sub 10" barrel the 300 wins, 12-16" barrel the 6.8 wins. I am talking effectively putting down hogs which are tougher than deer. All good.. Just match the intended use. Sent from my LG-D850 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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