usmc1974 Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 At close range nothing is as fast as a C-more with a 2 moa dot and no other tube or glass to get in the way . fast on 300 yard target too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskapopo Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 Not so fast on 300 yard smaller steel however like MGM autopoppers. Red dots are fine inside 100 yards but past that they quickly give up ground to good variable power scopes. Pat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djeffers Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 AND......many variable power scopes have illuminated reticles and BDC lines. Best of both worlds. I haven't seen very many red dot's with BDC. EOTech 557 I just built a small light weight 16" rifle for the hoser type matches out to 200yards. I use this Eotech. I have found it is very fast for quick up close shots. Here is the model and reticle. gerritm Yes, very few. Two models of Eotech. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan 45 Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 The dots on the Eotech probably work fine for shooting at something the size of people, but it's hard to make out the dot and the target when its a 12" flasher at 400. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcloudy777 Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 The dots on the Eotech probably work fine for shooting at something the size of people, but it's hard to make out the dot and the target when its a 12" flasher at 400. I can personally attest to the utter and compete truth to this. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solidgun Posted December 25, 2014 Share Posted December 25, 2014 I really like my Aimpoint T1 at 2moa. However my 1-8 scope gets me around various types and ranges the various locations offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Tischauser Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 Even the pros have to offset their costs. Check out Jessie Tischauser's cost analysis of last season's expenses to shoot the matches he went to if you doubt that. I would like to see that is on BENOS? http://www.boomershooter.com/forums/index.php/topic/17103-cost-of-being-a-pro-3-gun-competitor-2014/#entry201935 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A5H556 Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 I think a lot of those posting in favor of variable optics are forgetting that there are only 3 or 4 variables on the market that are truly "good" and they all cost more than an Eotech/Magnifier combo. You can get the Eotech/3X combo for right at $1K. The Leupold VX-6 Multigun is $1,300 as is the Vortex 1-6. Then, the Swarovski is $2,500 and I guess you could throw the S&B Short Dot in there somewhere too. I'm all ears on a sub $1K variable that excels in 3gun. As for me, our local matches are all sub 100yds. I did well with an Aimpoint T-1, then tried the Bushnell 1-4 Throwdown (not a good experience for me) and am now going to try the Eotech EXPS 3-0 w/G33 3X magnifier. There's really only 1 stage with longer targets (steel in an array from 50-100yds) and I figure I'll flip the magnifier in for that stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJW Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 I would take the Primary Arms 1-6x ($350 with mount, give or take) over an EOTech holosight/magnifier combo. Then again, even when I started out with an EOTech I thought paying hundreds of dollars for their 3x magnifier was a waste of money and I bought a cheap Primary Arms 5x which worked well enough. If you really want to get into the game shooting an EOTech, then the best choice is to shoot Irons (or whatever version of the 1x red dot division match rules provide). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlad Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 (edited) I'm all ears on a sub $1K variable that excels in 3gun. I would definitely take an Burris XTR, MTAC, Viper PST, TR24, etc instead of a EOtech setup. I would have money for the mount and with some of them money left for a case of ammo. Excels at 3gun? Well thats more on the shooter, but I do think they are better then a eotech plus multiplier combo. If you never shoot past 100yards, I don't know why you even need the magnifier. Edited January 29, 2015 by Vlad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A5H556 Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 I'm all ears on a sub $1K variable that excels in 3gun. I would definitely take an Burris XTR, MTAC, Viper PST, TR24, etc instead of a EOtech setup. I would have money for the mount and with some of them money left for a case of ammo. Excels at 3gun? Well thats more on the shooter, but I do think they are better then a eotech plus multiplier combo. If you never shoot past 100yards, I don't know why you even need the magnifier. I probably don't need it and as I mentioned, I did quite well (2/40) running a 10.3" SBR with an Aimpoint micro. I've since built a 16" gun with an SJC Titan comp and it is faster and flatter than the SBR. I tried a 1-4 on the new build just to see what all the fuss was about, but may end up right back with an Aimpoint. I got a Pro-deal on the Eotech, so I'm spending quite a bit less than market on the setup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stlhead Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 Different strokes for different folks. I have a buddy who rocks an Eotech and loves it. I used an Aimpoint for years, but now prefer the Pris, one buddy is a Swaro guy, two others use the Vortex. It does not matter, pick one and shoot it for a couple of seasons, or long enough to decide you don't like it. We do this for fun, no need getting wrapped around the axle of what gear you are using, especially when your performance is mostly based on your shooting and moving skill, and less about the gear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark R Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 Swaro 1x-6x with red dot reticle. I'd say at 1x it's just as fast in close as an EOTech. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A5H556 Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 Swaro 1x-6x with red dot reticle. I'd say at 1x it's just as fast in close as an EOTech. It's beautiful. It's also $2,500. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkrispies Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 (edited) I'm all ears on a sub $1K variable that excels in 3gun. I would definitely take an Burris XTR, MTAC, Viper PST, TR24, etc instead of a EOtech setup. I would have money for the mount and with some of them money left for a case of ammo. Excels at 3gun? Well thats more on the shooter, but I do think they are better then a eotech plus multiplier combo. If you never shoot past 100yards, I don't know why you even need the magnifier. Everything Vlad said! What I'd add is that the Viper PST is a great scope with a similar reticle to the EOTech if you're looking to maintain similar equipment across two different guns. To those who say that a 1x scope is as fast as a red dot, though... I have to disagree GIVEN A PARTICULAR SITUATION. As somebody who shoots rimfire rifle on steel, I feel confident in saying that a dot is faster than a 1x on close shots, particularly the first shot, because you can get an accurate first shot off before getting a 100% perfect rifle mount/cheek weld on a dot-- not so much with a scope. After the first shot, though, the mount is all adjusted correctly for a scope and you're good to go so the two are fairly even after that point. Given A5H556's competition parameters (all less than 100 yards) I'd go with a dot also... But I also personally wouldn't bother with a magnifier. Now, if there's any possibility of shooting a match beyond 100 yards, I'll take my PST or the new Burris XTR 1-5x or the like as the distance gains outweigh (or at least balance out) the speed advantage of a dot up close. Edited February 2, 2015 by jkrispies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gadela08 Posted February 11, 2015 Author Share Posted February 11, 2015 The dots on the Eotech probably work fine for shooting at something the size of people, but it's hard to make out the dot and the target when its a 12" flasher at 400. I can personally attest to the utter and compete truth to this. LOL and me too. my 3-gun matches have a 10" flashers at 200,250,300,350,&400 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finbox Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 (edited) I think my bushnell 1-6 is better than my Eotech on 1x On 1x there is just a thin black circle (scope tube) in the way. On the EOTECH there is a thin plastic square, a gap, then the alluminum hood, all in the sight picture. And on some the battery cap and cable. The bushnell SFP rectical looks like a eotech at 1x and has mils at all other magnifications it is the best of both worlds The Multi dots on the eotech where designed to be used with a magnifier. Edited March 3, 2015 by Finbox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GM2B Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 At close range nothing is as fast as a C-more with a 2 moa dot and no other tube or glass to get in the way . fast on 300 yard target too. I agree with the above post. For inside of 100 yards I prefer a dot. There is no tube obstructing your none dominant eye so you can see your next target more clearly. I shoot in tac ops for the prize table. Havent shot my dot gun since I started shooting major matches! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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