Magsz Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 Heya guys, Ive got a quick question. I just picked up some 147 grain bayou flatpoints and it appears as though they're being shaved when they're loaded. I have a Redding 9mm Competition die that hasnt given me any issues with 15000 135 grain RNFP extremes. I have barely any crimp on the round from the final crimping station, ie just enough to not allow setback. The outer diameter of the casing measures .378-.379. Could it be that i dont have enough bell on the case? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickb45 Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 (edited) Not enough bell. Also is your seat die for a round nose or truncated? Edited October 13, 2014 by Nickb45 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBeazlie Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 I would vote for not enough bell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magsz Posted October 13, 2014 Author Share Posted October 13, 2014 Nick, I havent the foggiest. How do i check that? I didnt have any issues with the Extreme 135's which are also a flat point so...shrug! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SD1 Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 bell and flip seater stem to the flat side as stated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SD1 Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 one side should be inverted cone other side of seated stem should be flat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magsz Posted October 13, 2014 Author Share Posted October 13, 2014 I think im having a bit of a noob moment...lol. I have no clue what flipping the seater stem is gents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SD1 Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 your final die, that is seating the bullet. top of die will un screw. remove middle section and flip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnsons1480 Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 I COULD NOT seat the 147s without shaving them. I tried everything. I tried the 135s and never looked back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay870 Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Roll sized brass? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magsz Posted October 14, 2014 Author Share Posted October 14, 2014 (edited) your final die, that is seating the bullet. top of die will un screw. remove middle section and flip Hrm, the Redding Comp die doesnt have a middle section, at least if my memory serves me correctly, i dont think it does. I will see if i can google some pictures as i am simple minded. I appreciate the help! I COULD NOT seat the 147s without shaving them. I tried everything. I tried the 135s and never looked back. Bayous with a Redding Comp Die? There was another thread on here that said that the Redding Die wouldnt work with 147's but once he went back to the Dillon all was well in the world. Edited October 14, 2014 by Magsz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnsons1480 Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 (edited) Yes, the 147 grain bayous. I was using the standard Dillon dies though. I messed with the bell, using one head stamp of brass, and I never could get it to work. I may get 9 in a row that would seat without shaving, but then the tenth would shave. One thing I've heard worked is to use the DAA expander instead of the Dillon expander. It's normally used with the Mr. Bullet feeder, and takes the place of your expander in the powder die. Edited October 14, 2014 by johnsons1480 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magsz Posted October 14, 2014 Author Share Posted October 14, 2014 (edited) Ever try BBI 147's? I tried a grand last year and i had no shaving issues BUT i was using the Dillon Die. Edited October 14, 2014 by Magsz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mahlsan Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Not enough bell, I had this problem and once I opened it up, no more shavings on the plate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsa Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 http://www.doublealpha.biz/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=powder+funnel This is what you want. It will create more of a pocket than a flare and the bullet will sit upright and not canted/leaning over. When they are canted they rotate and shave the coating when going into the seating die. This powder funnel will solve your problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRobson Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 I'll add another + for the DAA powder funnel. Works great for coated bullets. Much more forgiving when cases are all different lengths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magsz Posted October 14, 2014 Author Share Posted October 14, 2014 Interesting. Ill have to give the powder funnel a whirl if opening up the bell a bit doesnt help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zhunter Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Magsz I had this problem, it's a two step cure, give it a little more bell in the powder stage and use the Dillon seating die. As soon as I did these two things it was all fine. It took a lot of phone calls to get it sorted out. The comp seating die is awesome, but apparently it has a feature that straightens the brass case too early for the coated bullets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magsz Posted October 14, 2014 Author Share Posted October 14, 2014 Z, ROGER that, thank you. I am going to do both things and go from there. I appreciate the help guys and i will post up when ive solved the issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdinga Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 I use the Redding Competition seating die and load a lot of Bayou 147's and dont have any problems. thinking its more a matter of the correct bell on the powder/expander die. YMMV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magsz Posted October 14, 2014 Author Share Posted October 14, 2014 I use the Redding Competition seating die and load a lot of Bayou 147's and dont have any problems. thinking its more a matter of the correct bell on the powder/expander die. YMMV Do do you use the Double Alpha expander/bell/funnel thingymajigger or the stock, factory Dillon piece? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunchies95 Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Magsz I had this problem, it's a two step cure, give it a little more bell in the powder stage and use the Dillon seating die. As soon as I did these two things it was all fine. It took a lot of phone calls to get it sorted out. The comp seating die is awesome, but apparently it has a feature that straightens the brass case too early for the coated bullets I had this exact same issue with BBI 125's and this is what eventually solved it. I could never find the right bell for the Redding Die but the Dillon Die works like a champ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breacher217 Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 I use the redding comp seater and load SNS 147 flat points with no trouble as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdinga Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Using the stock Dillon expander without any problems. What does the mouth of your expanded case measure? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magsz Posted October 17, 2014 Author Share Posted October 17, 2014 I added a little more bell, went back to the standard dillon die and i had no issues. When i added more bell with the Redding comp die, i still had issues with the rounds being shaved so i said screw it and went back to the OEM bullet seating die. As an aside, prior to changing everything around, my belled cases measured .356. It makes sense that a .356 diameter lead round would get shaved by something that was the same size. Still, increasing the bell did NOT fix the issue for whatever reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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