cjfarmer Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 I've noticed this in the last few USPSA matches I have shot. Almost every single target I have an alpha and a Charlie. I'm assuming that my first shot on target would be the alpha. Any advice? I'm fairly new to the whole pistol game. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grouptherapy Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Slow down and focus on the front sight. Check our grip and make sure your trigger control is smooth. Just suggestions. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leath4m Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Agree, front sight, front sight, front sight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgardner Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 What kind of pairs are you shooting in practice? With the front sight focus issue I agree it's best for pinpoint accuracy like in bullseye shooting but the targets are fairly close in USPSA and the A zone is big. I lose some front sight focus and look at the targets. Speed is essential in this game and watching the front sight won't get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjb45 Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 TGO does an interesting YouTube video for Action Targets. Check it out. Usually, if your C is off to one side it can be either a grip or stance issue. Are you consistently shooting to one side or the other? Some shooters push the trigger to one side or the other at times. Are you sure you are pressing the trigger straight back. There is a bullseye diagnostic chart that provides some preliminary diagnostics. mgardneer; check out how many points down Nils has been at Nationals. I remember one Nationals where Roger said he was down only 7 points the entire match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cjfarmer Posted September 17, 2014 Author Share Posted September 17, 2014 Now that I think about it the C is usually low left. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgardner Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 TGO does an interesting YouTube video for Action Targets. Check it out. mgardneer; check out how many points down Nils has been at Nationals. I remember one Nationals where Roger said he was down only 7 points the entire match. Actually TGO went on a little rant tonight about focusing on the front sight. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daves_not_here Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 (edited) Low left, assuming you're right handed, it's your trigger manipulation. Are you shooting a glock? How is your bill drill? (6 alphas as fast as you can see your sights) Keep the Bill Drill pace for your doubles by having the same feel on that second shot. Like you're doing a mini Bill Drill. Don't dwell on the feel and get to the next target. Don't rush. It will feel slower because you won't be rushing so put a timer on it so you have a reality check. It's a cool feeling not to rush and get a blazing time. DNH Edited September 17, 2014 by daves_not_here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flack jacket Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Hi! Welcome to the most addicting game ever! Do you have a vid to share? Is it an open target? At what distance? Daves_not_ touched on it. Are you Double tapping the target? if so, Think Individual Shots in fast succession. Enjoy.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cjfarmer Posted September 17, 2014 Author Share Posted September 17, 2014 I'm shooting a m&p pro 40. And I think Dave is probably right. I used to have everything hit low left and it was trigger manipulation. I would almost bet I'm rushing the 2nd shot and pulling it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Gene Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Bill Drill was a good suggestion. Pin the trigger. Set up a drill to break your shot, keep the trigger pinned, feel it reset, break the next shot. I think it is trigger manipulation too. Do that, focusing on the trigger, assuming you are waiting for the front sight to settle back on the target. wg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grouptherapy Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 (edited) If I don't maintain a certain degree of front sight focus I shoot less As. That's just me. We incorporate cardboard, steel plates, and poppers in our matches. I can't just throw it up and shoot with consistency....yet. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Edited September 17, 2014 by grouptherapy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjb45 Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 TGO on a Rant. So it ain't so! What was his rant, they are always fun but very informative. He knows every nuance of shooting. Did you see the Action Target Video? Try this link: http://www.bullseyepistol.com/training.htm Low left=jerking the trigger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgardner Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 TGO on a Rant. So it ain't so! What was his rant, they are always fun but very informative. He knows every nuance of shooting. Did you see the Action Target Video? Try this link: http://www.bullseyepistol.com/training.htm Low left=jerking the trigger He was walking by at Tuesday Night Steel and some guys were talking about concentrating on the front sight so I repeated it loud enough that he could hear it and they found out that he doesn't think much of it for speed shooting. Yes, I was bad and threw the bait out. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cjfarmer Posted September 18, 2014 Author Share Posted September 18, 2014 Thanks guys. Our matches are mostly the cardboard USPSA targets, poppers, and steel plates. I'm sure I am probably jerking the trigger on the second shot like mentioned above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgardner Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 Thanks guys. Our matches are mostly the cardboard USPSA targets, poppers, and steel plates. I'm sure I am probably jerking the trigger on the second shot like mentioned above. Video yourself and see what you look like shooting. On long strings put the cursor on your shoulder and see if the gun is driving you back with each consecutive shot or if you have an aggressive enough stance that you just rock back to the same spot each time. If you are being driven back you may be pushing the gun back on target instead of just coming back naturally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal82 Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 I've had the same problem before. The cause was I saw the sights for the first shot and had already shifted my focus when I made the second shot. The solution is to see the sights on every shot, I had to mentally tell myself see sights every shot for a couple matches. Funny, stage I did this on at the NC State Match this year, had 3 targets on the move. I had a blazing time, looked at the 3 targets shot on the move and I had a shot dead center every one and no second shot at all. I saw my sights for the first shot and my focus was on the next target when I pulled the second shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nimitz Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 (edited) Slowing down Is never the right answer ... Never Shooting Alphas is meaningless if you can't do it fast Yes, you are jerking the trigger if your hits are low, left Until you correct your trigger mechanics problems not much else really matters ... Only pull the trigger as fast as you can see, your vision dictates the speed you shoot at ....note, this is NOT the same thing as 'slowing down to get your hits' As you gain experience you will learn what the minimum sight picture that YOU need to shoot an Alpha is for different targets. Eventually you will learn that you don't need the classic 'front sight focus' for every target but for now there is nothing wrong with using a front slight focus on all your shots Accuracy ultimately wins the day as shooters of the same class generally shoot a stage all in about the same time Edited September 19, 2014 by Nimitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ardo Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 I have an average trigger technique, but found that squeezing the hell out of the grip with my weak hand helps with that, and gives better recoil control. The difference between strong and weak grip can be easily seen in a Bill drill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nimitz Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 grip, trigger control, sight management ....fix those and your GM card is almost a forgone conclusion ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwight Stearns Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 (edited) If your first shot is an alpha then you are doing something different on the second shot (Charlie). Make sure you are firing two separate individual shots. Not a double-tap. Even when shooting fast. Edited September 19, 2014 by Dwight Stearns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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