bmiller Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 (edited) Shot a match today, a friend's versamax broke a hammer. Mine had a shell sitting on the carrier with the bolt failing to close with high brass buck rounds. Didn't do it a lot, but happened. Tore it apart tonight, the cam pin is peened on 2 sides. Would this cause this type of malfunction? The gun was dirty, but well lubed. Did not have any problems with rem gun club shot. Thinking about replacing the hammer firing pin and cam pin with benelli parts. The bolt and carrier look fine. Wondering if I put in a Benelli cam pin , it will peen the carrier. Thanks Edited September 8, 2014 by bmiller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whoops! Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 (edited) The hammer sucks, mine is already peening itself to death after roughly 500 hits. It depends on how the cam pin was peened, but it is still unlikely in my opinion. Did the loads get stuck on one side of the chamber or the other? Have you tried cleaning everything? A lot of people have issues with shells getting stuck on the right side of the chamber on the way in. Most people throat the chamber on that side to fix it. One thing that alerts me is the high brass buck rounds were likely 3" and the rem gun club were likely 2 3/4". Are you having issues with different lengths? There are a lot of possibilities in shotguns that don't tend to pop up with handguns or rifles, makes it more difficult. For now, clean everything and try again. Then we can do some basic things to enhance reliability which will make it go longer between cleanings (or even without cleaning) while still running reliably. Edited September 8, 2014 by Whoops! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmiller Posted September 8, 2014 Author Share Posted September 8, 2014 I will shoot it tomorrow . The buck was 2 3/4. Already broke the edge on the side of the chamber. The carrier was not up, the round was sitting on it. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtm Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 YES!!! The cam pin is a very critical part!!! It is the main causes of clicks instead of bangs in the Remington system. I recommend replace the cam pin and at least the hammer with Benelli parts. Saves a whole bunch of heart burn both now and latter on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
openclassterror Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 YES!!! The cam pin is a very critical part!!! It is the main causes of clicks instead of bangs in the Remington system. I recommend replace the cam pin and at least the hammer with Benelli parts. Saves a whole bunch of heart burn both now and latter on! This X10! Kurt knows that of which he speaks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmiller Posted September 8, 2014 Author Share Posted September 8, 2014 Thanks guys!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whoops! Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 (edited) Cool, good to know Anyone know a good source for these factory Benelli parts? Midway seems to be out of stock on some essential things. Edited September 8, 2014 by Whoops! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StealthyBlagga Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Brownells has them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmiller Posted September 8, 2014 Author Share Posted September 8, 2014 They were out of them last night. I ordered a remington to put in until the benellis come back in stock. Will a benelli extractor work in a versa? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Sierpina Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 They were out of them last night. I ordered a remington to put in until the benellis come back in stock. Will a benelli extractor work in a versa? An M2 extractor does fit a Versa Max, along with the hammer, sear, and cam pin. These parts are already in my buddies Versa Max. A Super Black Eagle lifter is the correct length for the Versa Max. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmiller Posted September 8, 2014 Author Share Posted September 8, 2014 It will truly be a Remelli at that point! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zmanktm Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 I had the same issue with my versa and the cam pin is already beat up. With the Benelli cam pin being .005 smaller than the Versamax is that going to cause a battering issue to the Versamax bolt down the road? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtm Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 I haven't seen excessive battering on the carrier as Remington did a much better job heat treating that part, but I also haven't run that set up for an extended period of time. I know some folks have a bunch of rounds on Remnelli concoctions so maybe they can chime in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryan45kim Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 Since it was my hammer that broke what parts are interchangeable between the Benelli and Versa Max? Below is a list of parts I was going to replace with Benelli parts. Are there other parts I should change and are there parts that should not be changed? extractor and spring firing pin and spring cam pin hammer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Sierpina Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 Since it was my hammer that broke what parts are interchangeable between the Benelli and Versa Max? Below is a list of parts I was going to replace with Benelli parts. Are there other parts I should change and are there parts that should not be changed? extractor and spring firing pin and spring cam pin hammer The only one I'm not sure of is the firing pin. I don't know if the length is the same. When you replace the extractor, the holes are offset, you drive the pin out from one side with a smaller punch. From the top, if I remember correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryan45kim Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 Thanks Dan Are there any other parts that should be changed or any parts that should stay Remington? When my hammer broke I had 600-700 rounds on it and it broke by the hook not where it was mushrooming from contact with the firing pin so I'm a little concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Sierpina Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 (edited) Thanks Dan Are there any other parts that should be changed or any parts that should stay Remington? When my hammer broke I had 600-700 rounds on it and it broke by the hook not where it was mushrooming from contact with the firing pin so I'm a little concerned. Those are the parts that I'm aware of. My buddy had shortened his carrier, to keep from getting bitten. He shortened it too much, and when he called Remington for a new part, the person in parts suggested a spare extractor, because they broke often enough. He already had the Benelli parts. If you have a standard charge handle, not a round version like a Versa Max Tactical, you may want to have a spare. At Rocky Mountain, one of the British shooters had his break at the sight in range. A gracious shooter from Canada had a spare M2 handle that fit just fine. Edited September 9, 2014 by Dan Sierpina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryan45kim Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Thanks Dan I love my Versa Max I'm just a little nervous with that hammer breaking and FN just 9 days away. I managed to snag the last Benelli hammer Midway had (and the only one I could find). I have the Nordic charging handle and C Rum did my carrier so those should be good. Just trying to cover all the bases since I'm new to 3 gun shotguns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Sierpina Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Thanks Dan I love my Versa Max I'm just a little nervous with that hammer breaking and FN just 9 days away. I managed to snag the last Benelli hammer Midway had (and the only one I could find). I have the Nordic charging handle and C Rum did my carrier so those should be good. Just trying to cover all the bases since I'm new to 3 gun shotguns. Shotguns are fun. I've come to like them more and more. Make sure you say hello, I'm working stage 5 at FNH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whoops! Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 For anyone interested, Midwest Gun Works has the Benelli parts in stock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryan45kim Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 I will look forward to meeting you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2alphas Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 The spring that holds the carrier (lifter) in the down position failed in my VM after less that 750 rounds. Replaced with Benelli ........working great since. BTW, replaced the other parts referenced above as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GetAwayDriva Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 I will agree that rem hammers are junk. Just replaced mine while tryin to solve a light primer strike issue. The hammer had a small chunk missing from the big hook and a little chip missing from the other little hook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtm Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 If you can't find a Benelli hammer, Geiseley...yeah...whatever... makes a replacement hammer for the M4 which also works and it is a very well made part! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryan45kim Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 yea I saw that Kurt, its also double the price thankfully I found a Benelli hammer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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