John Thompson Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 one that you have to cut the frame and solder the magwell on? My last para had one made by I think G&B Custom which welded on and allowed the use of flush fitting magazines. Brownell's no longer carries these kinds. OR Who makes a good bolt on that allows the use of flush mags? I ask this because the gun is going to be used in IDPA matches and I did ckeck out the recent thread on this. I may have to go S&A and modify or just don't use a magwell. How about beveling? Has anyone had this done? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lynn jones Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 try dawsons precision. http://www3.mailordercentral.com/shootings...s.asp?dept=1200 lynn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry White Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 I have a S&A that has been milled for flush mags and to fit the box. It had enough material so the mags are really flush and still have some funnel left. Worked out well.-----Larry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Thompson Posted January 17, 2005 Author Share Posted January 17, 2005 The Dawson's allows flush mags and still fits in the IDPA box? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 Dawson's don't fit in the box or allow stock mags. S&A standard mag well is too wide, but allows stock mags. You will need to shave the sides about 1/16" on each side to fit in the box. They also have an IDPA version that will fit in the box. The only problem you might run into is weight. My P16 with a shaved S&A magwell weighs 43 ounces without the mag. The mag is another 2.5 ounces (stock tube, follower, spring, and flat Arrendondo basepads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Thompson Posted January 17, 2005 Author Share Posted January 17, 2005 Where did you find the S&A IDPA model? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry White Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 John, I just sent you a PM before I reread the thread. Scooter may well be right about the wt. deal, I don't know what my pistol weighs but its heavy.-----Larry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eerw Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 EGW makes a weld on magwell for the para..$40 for the part according to the website. www.egw-guns.com>part(on top of page)>magwells( on left hand side of page)>second page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waktasz Posted January 18, 2005 Share Posted January 18, 2005 My para is at EGW as we speak for the IDPA S&A magwell and any weigh reduction necessary to get it under 43 oz. Will post pics when it's back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter Posted January 18, 2005 Share Posted January 18, 2005 You will need to contact S&A for the IDPA magwell. It'll be tough to get it under 43 ounces. I've been thinking about it. S&A does have aluminum versions of the magwell, that might save some weight. My shaved magwell with spring and plunger weighs 3 ounces. An aluminum version will weigh around 1 or so ounces. Too bad no one makes a delrin full length guide rod. A switch to a short guid rod will loses maybe another ounce or two. You might just squeak under the 43 ounces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Thompson Posted January 18, 2005 Author Share Posted January 18, 2005 The EGW magwell was just what I was looking for assuming it doesn't weight too much or cost too much to install. Thanks fellas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Thompson Posted January 18, 2005 Author Share Posted January 18, 2005 Called EGW the weld on is $200- plus finishing because it is in the white. WAAAAAY too mcuh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waktasz Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 EGW says they can lighted the S&A well in the mainspring housing area and they can also lighted the Para frame in the area under the grips. After the work is done on my gun he's going to weigh it and see how much has to be done to get it IDPA legal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Thompson Posted January 19, 2005 Author Share Posted January 19, 2005 I called Smith & Alexander and the lady who I spoke with said they didn't have an IDPA version. She also said the aluminum version would get beat up in the IDPA(ISPC is not popular at S&A) but the aluminum S_I's do ok so maybe that's the way I'll go. Comments? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sestock Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 I just put an Dawson Ice S&A Retrofit magwell on my Para. It is a little wide but I am going to have it milled down 1/16th of an inch and it will fit into a box. And it is 1/2 ounce under the weight limit with an empty mag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waktasz Posted January 20, 2005 Share Posted January 20, 2005 Whats a Dawson Ice S&A Retrofit? Got pics? I'm curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sestock Posted January 20, 2005 Share Posted January 20, 2005 Check out the Dawson Precision website It is an Ice Magwell that is made for a Para frame that has already been cut for an S&A magwell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ima45dv8 Posted January 20, 2005 Share Posted January 20, 2005 I called Smith & Alexander and the lady who I spoke with said they didn't have an IDPA version. She also said the aluminum version would get beat up in the IDPA(ISPC is not popular at S&A) but the aluminum S_I's do ok so maybe that's the way I'll go.Comments? I fitted an aluminum S&A to my P14, and it's held up fine. Definitely a weight-saver. The gun also has an aluminum frame, so it's fun to watch people's expressions when they first handle it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stryfox Posted January 21, 2005 Share Posted January 21, 2005 I called Smith & Alexander and the lady who I spoke with said they didn't have an IDPA version. She also said the aluminum version would get beat up in the IDPA(ISPC is not popular at S&A) but the aluminum S_I's do ok so maybe that's the way I'll go.Comments? I have an s&a on my para. I shaved the sides down to fit in the IDPA box. It is plenty wide for cant miss reloads. The nice thing about the s&a is if you decide to use extention bases they all seem to fit the S&A with out modification Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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