Gcarr Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 I'm sure that this a repeat of a repeat thread ... But I was having trouble finding the answer with my searching. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I am fairly sure I want stainless steel and a 13lb or 14lb spring for the PF I will be shooting but... Captured ??? Uncaptured ??? Adapter ??? So... What is IDPA SSP legal ??? Can i get it as a combo or do i have to piece it together for the spring i want??? Where is the best place to get it ??? I have asked a lot of questions here ... Your time and expertise is greatly appreciated ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2MoreChains Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 I'm going off memory here, but I think to be IDPA legal the guiderod needs to be polymer. Jäger makes a polymer as well as SS guiderod for the Gen 4's that allows use of ISMI, Wolff, or GlockWorx springs (only ones I've tried). Shooters Connection has them for $29. I run a 12 lb GlockWorx recoil spring (blue) with my 130 PF ammo. Tried a 13 and 11 and the 12 seemed to be the right one for my load. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjz Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 With the new rulebook in IDPA you can now use a SS guiderod in a Glock and stay inn SSP. The problem is that I don't know if one is made for the Gen 4 that doesn't require a bushing for it to fit. The gen 4 opening for the front of the guide rod is bigger than the gen 3. I had tried an uncaptured ss guide rod in my Gen 4 with a bushing that allows this to fit. This bushing becomes a visible external modification which would bump you out of SSP. From the prohibited list for SSP ( but permitted for ESP) 8.2.1.4.5. Slide inserts to accommodate a different recoil assembly design. You will have to do some searching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjz Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 This DPM triple spring system looks like it has a bushing to fit the Gen 4. Needs to be researched further. Also big $$ http://www.theshootersbox.com/DPM-Recoil-Reducer-Mechanical-System_p_600.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theKenny Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 (edited) Jager http://jagerproducts.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=35&products_id=90 and they sell the springs also. the 13lb imsi works pretty well with 147gr 135~PF ammo Edited January 22, 2014 by theKenny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinstang67 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Would anyone educate me on benefits of lighter recoil springs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gcarr Posted January 22, 2014 Author Share Posted January 22, 2014 Thanks for the responses ... 2morechains - thank you - might be the answer Sjz - exactly what I'm talking about !! Thank you ... I will research TheKenny - thank you - looks like the one Vinstang - less muzzle flip (felt recoil) ... Faster follow-up shoots (double taps) I am new to Glocks and trying to get caught up ... Thanks to everyone for the help !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinstang67 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Vinstang - less muzzle flip (felt recoil) ... Faster follow-up shoots (double taps) I am new to Glocks and trying to get caught up ... Thanks to everyone for the help !!! Thanks. I am new to firearms trying to learn more instead of turn the key & drive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocHolliday1 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Jager is the only one to consider for Gen 4. I have the polymer one, and it runs great with 13 lb. I should switch to SS, but just haven't felt the need. I do have a Dawson SS uncaptured in a Gen 3 and like it a lot as well. You won't go wrong with Jager in a Gen 4. Not sure about this "bushing" wording with the new rule changes, but I don't see why they would make mine (Jager polymer Gen 4), which was legal before the new rules in SSP,and make it illegal. Then again, who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S&W686 Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 (edited) Glockmeister has a Stainless Steel guide rod for the Gen4 models that you can get in different spring weights. I have several and they work well. Edited January 24, 2014 by S&W686 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pevadijk Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 (edited) I had my gunsmith make me one, just the way I wanted it.............works great with 13 pound ISMI springs, although I have no clue if that would be 'IDPA legal' or not? Edited January 24, 2014 by pevadijk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky316 Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Get a zev ss guide rod and a 13lbs ismi spring and a adapter ring if a gen4. I run them in all my Glocks gen3 and gen4 with no problems. The double springs that come in the gen4 is junk do yourself a favor and stay away from that style of recoil assembly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gcarr Posted January 29, 2014 Author Share Posted January 29, 2014 I ordered the glockmeister with a 13# spring ... Now if it will just get here before the weekend!!! Thanks everyone !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GARD72977 Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 I added a signature that should stop the confusion in my post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GARD72977 Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Just noticed I posted in the wrong thread. Maybe I should ad "DA" to my signature Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjz Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 (edited) I ordered the glockmeister with a 13# spring ... Now if it will just get here before the weekend!!! Thanks everyone !!! Which part# did you order? I am confused by Glockmeisters website. The G17 gen 4 and the G34 gen 4 take the exact same oem recoil spring assembly. But when I looked at the SS guide rod on Glockmeister, there are a couple that say: "This recoil rod works for the following GLOCK models: 17 (including RTF2 but not 4th Gen), 22 (including RTF2 but not 4th Gen), 31, 34, and 35." Why would it work in a G34 gen 4 and not a G17 gen 4? Also, for IDPA- the tungsten would not be allowed. SS is the heaviest weight material that a guide rod can be made out of. Edited January 30, 2014 by sjz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boxerglocker Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 If you examine the Gen 4 guide rod while there is a steel sleeve in the Gen 4, the actual rod is polymer. Therefore the correct choice for IDPA SSP is the polymer one, any other material would bump you into ESP. This is what I have concluded after questioning at our local IDPA SO rules clinics on various forums and consulting with Jager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sac Law Man Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 (edited) IDPA.. Captured Zev or Jager stainless steel rod, ISMI flat wire 13 lb recoil spring. Edited January 31, 2014 by Sac Law Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjz Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 If you examine the Gen 4 guide rod while there is a steel sleeve in the Gen 4, the actual rod is polymer. Therefore the correct choice for IDPA SSP is the polymer one, any other material would bump you into ESP. This is what I have concluded after questioning at our local IDPA SO rules clinics on various forums and consulting with Jager. Above is incorrect. You no longer need to have polymer guide rod in Glocks to stay in SSP 1) The new IDPA rule book specifically allows recoil rods of any material not heavier than stainless steel in SSP. Under permitted modifications for SSP 8.2.1.3.4. Recoil spring guide rods and dual spring recoil systems made of material that is no heavier than stainless steel 2) What would bump you to ESP (in a Glock for example) is a sleeve or bushing in the slide to accept a different type of recoil spring assembly or rod. This violates 2 rules for SSP. Under SSP excluded modifications 8.2.1.4.1. Externally visible modifications other than those listed in the Permitted Modifications section. ... 8.2.1.4.5. Slide inserts to accommodate a different recoil assembly design. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sac Law Man Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Also the NRB now says you cannot use full length guides in SSP,, has to be captured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theKenny Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 If you examine the Gen 4 guide rod while there is a steel sleeve in the Gen 4, the actual rod is polymer. Therefore the correct choice for IDPA SSP is the polymer one, any other material would bump you into ESP. This is what I have concluded after questioning at our local IDPA SO rules clinics on various forums and consulting with Jager. From the current rulebook under permitted modifications ssp p.32 8.2.1.3.4. Recoil spring guide rods and dual spring recoil systems made of material that is no heavier than stainless steel. esp p.34 8.2.2.2.22. Recoil spring guide rods and dual spring recoil systems made of material that is no heavier than stainless steel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gcarr Posted January 31, 2014 Author Share Posted January 31, 2014 I ordered part # G4SS17CS with a 13# spring for $2 more. This is a one piece stainless steel captured rod. I hope that it is legal !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sac Law Man Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Yup, that should work fine// Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gcarr Posted January 31, 2014 Author Share Posted January 31, 2014 It's kinda a crazy world figuring out what is legal and what is not the way the rules read ... And then when searching for that legal one none of the companies say "Here it is ... This is the legal one you have been looking for". I just wonder what will happen at match time ... What will the BOSS say??? Hope their "Interpretation" is the same that I have ... If not ... The hunt will continue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjz Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Also the NRB now says you cannot use full length guides in SSP,, has to be captured. No such rule exists in IDPA. Where are you getting this mis-information that guide rods have to be captured? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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