bgary Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 So, here's my dilemma (and sorry for the newbie questions). I typically shoot "open", which means a red-dot on both my shotgun and pistol. I can easily put a light/laser combo on a piece of rail on the shotgun; don't need to change a thing. But the pistol is more interesting. The options are to -- figure out how to add a rail to an existing C-more mount -- pull the C-more off, and put light/laser on the mount (but have no red-dot) -- ditch the open gun and put a light/laser on an XD or something... I guess the question is..... for the night stuff, will I have any actual "need" for a red-dot as an aiming device or, assuming it is zero'd appropriately, is the laser the only thing I'll care about? B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug H. Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 I shot the match a few years in a row and just zip tied a surefire flashlight to the side of my 90 deg mount on my open pistol. I like the dot on the gun instead of a laser and the flashlight illuminates the targets. I never did use a laser in either match and didn't have a problem hitting targets. Nice thing about the Crimson Trace match, you can have several different set ups, Glock, STI, XD what ever, and can use them on different stages to try each out. Doug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkCO Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 If they have that damn tripple plate rack back for pistol, I sure would want to have an actual open gun...just don't own one. I think going as close to what you are used to, adding plenty of white light to get out to the targets has some merit, which is basically what Doug just said he did. But running with the laser on the rifle or pistol on open targets using offset sighting is something you should do on at least one stage...it is just fun and not something you can do in daylight matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Tischauser Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 (edited) So, here's my dilemma (and sorry for the newbie questions). I typically shoot "open", which means a red-dot on both my shotgun and pistol. I can easily put a light/laser combo on a piece of rail on the shotgun; don't need to change a thing. But the pistol is more interesting. The options are to -- figure out how to add a rail to an existing C-more mount -- pull the C-more off, and put light/laser on the mount (but have no red-dot) -- ditch the open gun and put a light/laser on an XD or something... I guess the question is..... for the night stuff, will I have any actual "need" for a red-dot as an aiming device or, assuming it is zero'd appropriately, is the laser the only thing I'll care about? B If you're used to a red dot it will be faster than a laser I'm guessing. My personal experience says a laser is faster out to about 20 yards then the red dot takes over. The laser can be shot from the hip or running whereas you have to get into the scope to see the for which limits your body movement. At distance the lasers are bouncy and can be hard to even keep on a target where's the red dot is stable and fast.One of the best solutions is to drill and tap a few holes and put a picatinny rail section under your dust cover then attach a laser/light to it. Of course then finding a holster becomes the next issue. Edited July 18, 2014 by Jesse Tischauser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Anderson Posted July 19, 2014 Author Share Posted July 19, 2014 First year I shot my Open SJC Glock with a flashlight on the rail. It worked well. Last year I just shot a 34 with Lasergrips and a white light. My experience at distance is different than Jesse's. I found the laser very easy and fast on the 50yd pistol targets last year. And don't worry Mark. No 18 pack rack. But the FLIR plates are making a return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgary Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 yeah, at some point the challenge becomes finding a holster. I can easily bolt a section of rail to the dust cover of my open gun, but I don't know of a holster it would fit in. Not sure where to find a holster for a Glock with a flashlight under the rail, either... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkCO Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 I ended up getting my holsters custom made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sendit223 Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 Kydex is your friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Anderson Posted July 20, 2014 Author Share Posted July 20, 2014 yeah, at some point the challenge becomes finding a holster. I can easily bolt a section of rail to the dust cover of my open gun, but I don't know of a holster it would fit in. Not sure where to find a holster for a Glock with a flashlight under the rail, either... For the Glock it's easy. Safariland 6378 or BladeTech. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallGuy Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Anyone know of a holster that will work with a G35/Crimson Trace light-laser combo? Also, are holsters required or can the pistol be staged? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
logiztix Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Anyone know of a holster that will work with a G35/Crimson Trace light-laser combo? Also, are holsters required or can the pistol be staged? Thanks My Comp-Tac designed for a G34/G35 & Streamlight TLR-1 works with the Railmaster Pro that we were sent. It actually draws smoother with the CT combo than the TLR-1 due to the sharp edges on the Streamlight's 'coin' screw head dragging on the Kydex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Anderson Posted July 20, 2014 Author Share Posted July 20, 2014 Blade-Tech should have holsters available now for the Railmaster Pro. The other option is the Safariland 6378. It fits a RM Pro but it's a bit tight. If you heat it a bit with a heat gun or oven and slide the gun in it fits perfect. There will be locations to stage the handgun. We try to make them in good spots so there isn't a disadvantage but it does take away some options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Tischauser Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Anyone know of a holster that will work with a G35/Crimson Trace light-laser combo? Also, are holsters required or can the pistol be staged? Thanks You want a holster if at all possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallGuy Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Copy all. Thanks everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
actionshooter Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Bruce, get your pistol set up and take it to Blade-tec in Puyallup and the will make one for you........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmurfJet Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 (edited) RKBA Holsters in Madras will have my Railmaster for a while while he builds one for me. I'll send all of the mounting bits in case someone else is interested in having one done while it's there. Local NW guy, does nice work, reasonable. http://rkbaholsters.com Edited July 22, 2014 by SmurfJet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallGuy Posted July 26, 2014 Share Posted July 26, 2014 I have a call into Blade Tech now. They are checking to see if they can/will be able to produce a holster for the RailMaster Pro / G34/35 combo in the near future. I’m expecting a call back on Monday. I’ll update when i can. Back up plan is the Safariland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallGuy Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 Official word from Blade Tech is that while they are working on the tooling for Rail Master Pro compatible holsters, they will not be ready before the match. On to plan B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.Hayden Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 Any chance there might be a place that I could zero my laser to my rifle when I'm there on Friday late evening? No need to fire a shot.. just like to confirm I have a 100 yard laser/scope zero Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregSmith Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 Last year there was a hot bay for working out kinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkCO Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 Last year there was a hot bay for working out kinks. I not sure my wife will let me go to this match if she sees that post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.Hayden Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 Last year there was a hot bay for working out kinks.Was it a long bay? like 100 yards? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Tischauser Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Last year there was a hot bay for working out kinks.Was it a long bay? like 100 yards? Yes. They had steal out to at least 100 too. Id zero your laser for the close stuff and your scope for the far stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.Hayden Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Anderson Posted July 31, 2014 Author Share Posted July 31, 2014 It's at least a 100 yard range. Might even be longer than that, can't remember. There are target stands at different yardages and steel targets on the hill out to 450. It is located between stages 2 and 3. COSSA is giving us free access to the range and it will not be considered part of the match so there won't be an RO stationed there. Just be safe. COSSA/BLM range rules still prohibit smoking outside your vehicle and that will get you kicked off the range, which means no match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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