Tman33_99 Posted October 22, 2004 Share Posted October 22, 2004 It is so nice to come home and find a nice #*%&ing ticket in the mail that a $(&*% machine has decided I am deserving of. It would come 3 weeks after the supposed act, at a time and place that I cannot remember being at, much less how fast I am going. There is a nice grainy blurry computer generated picture that may or may not be me or my truck. What really chaps my butt is several years ago these guys were taken to court and the court ruled it was illegal to have these go against people's driving records, because they automatically assume guilty until proven innocent. So the city decides hey, we only want the money, we just won't turn it to the state or issue points. This is the same city that is scared to death to let its citizens defend themselves. I wonder why..... If I am going to get a ticket I deserve to get it from a bonofide LE, not some desk jockey shuffling pictures from a camera, three weeks after the fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcoliver Posted October 22, 2004 Share Posted October 22, 2004 Wow that sucks! The first and only experience I had with high speed cams was when I was in Dubai way back. The driver forgot there was a cam and didn't slow down from his 200kph speed! The picture was pretty decent, too. It clearly showed the cars plate, the driver's face, my face and my white knuckles (clutching the seat belt) and some other digital info like speed, date time, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Merricks Posted October 22, 2004 Share Posted October 22, 2004 Most the Officers I know, myself included do not agree with the cam-tickets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackdragon Posted October 22, 2004 Share Posted October 22, 2004 What city? Ivan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tman33_99 Posted October 22, 2004 Author Share Posted October 22, 2004 What city?Ivan Denver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shipster Posted October 22, 2004 Share Posted October 22, 2004 I got busted on one of those stupid photo radar speed traps doing 45 in a 35 in the Socialist republic of Beaverton OR. Since the ticket was given with a automated system they even provide a on line system to pay your fine. VISA, MASTERCARD, or DISCOVER card. What a bunch of money Grubbing @#$%!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter Posted October 22, 2004 Share Posted October 22, 2004 I guess the photo radars haven't caught any politicians and their girlfriends. I know in Taiwan, photo radars line the entire freeway that spans the whole island. The units used to face the front of the cars. Few months later, they face the rear of the car. Apparantly some wives weren't too happy seeing the picture of the girlfriend. If you can't distinguish the picture of you, take it to court. Most likely it would be dropped. At least that's what my lawyer friend told me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Moneypenny Posted October 22, 2004 Share Posted October 22, 2004 Anyone know if those sprays/films that are advertised to block this actually work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redmercury2 Posted October 22, 2004 Share Posted October 22, 2004 UNLESS you received a certified or registered summons/letter in the mail and actually signed for it,disregard the notice . there is then no proof of receipt. i never sign for anything from anyone without knowing the contents. your city may send a server to your door sometime following this incident.,i never open my door to anyone i dont know,the server just cant dump it on your doorstep. there is a time limitation in which the ticket must be served. check your local jurisdiction for this. this info is current in arizona per my legal council and has been sucessfully applied Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tman33_99 Posted October 22, 2004 Author Share Posted October 22, 2004 The fine is low enough $40, to make it worth paying just to avoid the future headaches of avoiding it and claiming it was never recieved or going to court to fight it. I am not positive, but I think they may "boot" your vehicle for a parking violation if there is an outstanding Photo ticket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lynn jones Posted October 22, 2004 Share Posted October 22, 2004 The fine is low enough $40, to make it worth paying just to avoid the future headaches of avoiding it and claiming it was never recieved or going to court to fight it. I am not positive, but I think they may "boot" your vehicle for a parking violation if there is an outstanding Photo ticket. send them a photo of your $40 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tman33_99 Posted October 22, 2004 Author Share Posted October 22, 2004 send them a photo of your $40 I think they will send back a picture of handcuffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Di Vita Posted October 22, 2004 Share Posted October 22, 2004 Hey, I've read a joke that sounds like that before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
driver8M3 Posted October 22, 2004 Share Posted October 22, 2004 UNLESS you received a certified or registered summons/letter in the mail and actually signed for it,disregard the notice . there is then no proof of receipt. i never sign for anything from anyone without knowing the contents. your city may send a server to your door sometime following this incident.,i never open my door to anyone i dont know,the server just cant dump it on your doorstep. there is a time limitation in which the ticket must be served. check your local jurisdiction for this. this info is current in arizona per my legal council and has been sucessfully applied great strategy...i love it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benos Posted October 22, 2004 Share Posted October 22, 2004 I hate photo tickets as well! And, when I got one I promptly threw it in the trash. Now here's what I really hate - answering the door first thing in the morning, slightly "under the weather," to be greeted by a snot-ass punk looking at my picture on the ticket as he's handing it to me. What a way to start the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpolans Posted October 23, 2004 Share Posted October 23, 2004 UNLESS you received a certified or registered summons/letter in the mail and actually signed for it,disregard the notice . there is then no proof of receipt. i never sign for anything from anyone without knowing the contents. your city may send a server to your door sometime following this incident.,i never open my door to anyone i dont know,the server just cant dump it on your doorstep. there is a time limitation in which the ticket must be served. check your local jurisdiction for this. this info is current in arizona per my legal council and has been sucessfully applied This is NOT the case everywhere in the US! Be very careful, the law regarding service of process might be different where you live. Be wary of getting legal advice on an internet forum. This is probably a case where "you get what you pay for," is truly the case. For legal advice, you should probably consult a competent attorney licensed to practice in your state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErikW Posted October 23, 2004 Share Posted October 23, 2004 If that's true then all the jury duty summonses aren't really summonses and they can't issue a warrant for your arrest for failure to appear. Not that they do anyway. I heard the spray stuff works so well it was outlawed immediately in many municipalities and states. But it's invisible. Google it and you'll find info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wim Posted October 26, 2004 Share Posted October 26, 2004 Here in South Africa the "camera fine" has been perfected. Best of all; once you receive a summons and post off a check (cheque in SA!) it often isn't banked and next thing you are arrested at a roadblock on an outstanding warrant for a traffic offence. It happened to me on a Sunday morning and, unless you pay the full amount in cash, you remain locked up with company whose credentials are unknown / questionable, until you appear in court the next working day . Guaranteed checks not accepted, credit card not accepted - do not pass begin but proceed straight to jail... In theory you can remain locked up for more than 2 days if they grab you on a Friday evening, without knowingly or wanting to have avoided paying the fine and for a traffic offence or parking ticket!!! And if you don't have the cash with you, you aren't going to be taken past an ATM to draw money either!!! Anyhow I have no idea whether this is legal or not where you live, you would need to check that, but without accepting any liability, or recommending these products, I found these links a while back: http://www.bimmerparts.net/laser/flashphoto.html; http://www.photobuster.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geezer-lock Posted October 26, 2004 Share Posted October 26, 2004 The two not-rocket scientists at “Myth Busters” recently did a feature on all of the different ways that folks think they can avoid traffic tickets from radar or lasers. Everything from disco balls to wads of aluminum foil were …foiled by radar and laser guns. If you think that an “invisible” spray will prevent your license plate from being photographed I some great beach front property in Sundown, Texas for sale…cheap! geezer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter Posted October 26, 2004 Share Posted October 26, 2004 The two not-rocket scientists at “Myth Busters” recently did a feature on all of the different ways that folks think they can avoid traffic tickets from radar or lasers. Everything from disco balls to wads of aluminum foil were …foiled by radar and laser guns. If you think that an “invisible” spray will prevent your license plate from being photographed I some great beach front property in Sundown, Texas for sale…cheap! geezer Laser is easy to defeat, Car and Driver did it a while back. Mythbusters got the right idea, but wrong execution. What C&D did was to aim an auxillary driving light to the side of the road. The driving light had a IR filter over it. The filter looks black so you can't tell if the light is on, but you can feel the heat. They manage to make the laser ineffective until about 10 feet away. Mythbusters used a bunch of LED which doesn't produce anywhere close to the output of a driving light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ktyler Posted October 26, 2004 Share Posted October 26, 2004 Don't mean to sound like a jerk but..... Isn't one of the biggest complaints we have about our society is people not taking responsiblity for ones actions? If you earned it, pay it. If you have never went over the speed limit, ran a stop sign or not used a turn signal then fight it. If you have ever committed a traffic infraction and didn't get caught then just pay it. Its sad to see some many people here willing to skirt the issue....as Chris Rock says, "Obey the law". Having said that, I am also against photo tickets. The goal of traffic infractions is supposed to be compliance and education not about MONEY. I am a LEO and most of the LEO's I know feel the photo tickets are wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redmercury2 Posted October 26, 2004 Share Posted October 26, 2004 PHOTO RADAR=generation of revenues for municipalities. its part of the local government budget. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geezer-lock Posted October 26, 2004 Share Posted October 26, 2004 Laser is easy to defeat, Car and Driver did it a while back. Mythbusters got the right idea, but wrong execution. What C&D did was to aim an auxillary driving light to the side of the road. The driving light had a IR filter over it. The filter looks black so you can't tell if the light is on, but you can feel the heat. They manage to make the laser ineffective until about 10 feet away. Mythbusters used a bunch of LED which doesn't produce anywhere close to the output of a driving light. I can’t find any reference on C&D’s site about the test you refer to but I did locate this quote: “But this narrow beam is also the lidar gun's major weakness. Unlike radar, it must be precisely aimed from a stationary position, typically at a range of 500 to 1200 feet. Lidar cannot be used in mobile units. Unfortunately, because there is almost no "signal scatter" for a laser detector to pick up, most detectors can't warn you when Smokey is using lidar until the beam is already focused on your car—and that's usually too late to avoid a speeding ticket.” I have found plenty of folks wanting to sell some type of black box that claims to defeat lidar using some sort of IR blocking. Of course the sun emits considerable IR which doesn’t seem to affect the ability of the police to register your speed with a lidar unit. Food for thought, geezer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter Posted October 26, 2004 Share Posted October 26, 2004 I recall they did this back in the 90's. The idea is similar to a radar jammer. Except they used a 100w driving light with an IR filter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackdragon Posted October 26, 2004 Share Posted October 26, 2004 While driving back from the NATS, I recieved my Kansass Greeting card The officer must have been using LIDAR or something pretty stealth. My radar detector did not beep once! Ivan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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