Quick production rule question

[jte]

I shot my first match today and literally had the time of my life. I do have a question though. I shoot a Beretta 92FS, the version with the combination safety/Decocker on the slide. One competitor told me I should be starting with the gun on safe. I thought that hammer down and off safe was allowed for this handgun. If anyone knows for sure, please let me know. I'm waiting on my rule book, and when it gets here, I'll highlight the appropriate rule.

Thanks again!

[CZinSC]

The other competitor was wrong. In Production, guns with external hammers MUST start with the hammer down. Not on safe. On your gun, you need to use the decocker.

And you don't need to wait to get the rulebook to investigate yourself. Just go to the rulebook on the website: http://www.uspsa.org/rules/2010HandgunRulesProof3web.pdf

Check out Appendix D4, and then look under Special Conditions.

Glad to hear that you had a great time. It's an addicting sport. It only gets worse...or is it better? Not sure!

[jte]

Thank you. I thought I was doing right, but he's got a lot more experience than I do, so I wanted to double check.

[calvinc78]

Yup believe ur right hammer down safe does not need to engage.

[ramairthree]

people are getting less and less familiar with these guns in general.

With an FS model you would be legal to use it with safety engaged or safety disengaged and the hammer down.

I have been asked to engage the safety on both FS (possible) and G model (not possible) on occasion which is not required.

Once I was de-cocking a G model and was asked why, the RO thought I was legal to have hammer back and no safety engaged.

[sperman]

people are getting less and less familiar with these guns in general.

With an FS model you would be legal to use it with safety engaged or safety disengaged and the hammer down.

Not in production division.

[Nik Habicht]

people are getting less and less familiar with these guns in general.

With an FS model you would be legal to use it with safety engaged or safety disengaged and the hammer down.

Not in production division.

There's no requirement to engage the safety in PD. The safety lever/decocker must be used to drop the hammer at Make Ready, but thew safety may then be swiped off again. DA guns may be holstered hammer down, with the safety off; SA guns (or DA/SA guns) with the hammer cocked must have the safety applied prior to holstering....

Since SA guns are not allowed in PD, the issue of a safety shouldn't come up....

[ramairthree]

people are getting less and less familiar with these guns in general.

With an FS model you would be legal to use it with safety engaged or safety disengaged and the hammer down.

Not in production division.

The requirement is hammer down.

On an FS you could leave it on safe after de-cocking, or flip it back to fire.

Either way the hammer is down and meets the requirement.

[sperman]

I misunderstood your statement. I thought you meant the hammer could be cocked, with the safety engaged.

[ramairthree]

I misunderstood your statement. I thought you meant the hammer could be cocked, with the safety engaged.

I suspected that.

It is not possible to have the hammer cocked with safety engaged on an FS.

I truly meant in my original post people are getting fuzzy on the Berettas.

Nobody will forget 20 and 1911s, like four on the floor (or 5 or 6) they will always have strong followings.

DA/SA 92FS's are like front bench seats and three on the tree manual transmissions.

[Poppa Bear]

I've never had a problem with Beretta's, CZ's are different story. SA, DA, decock, safety engaged, what division did you say you were shooting again?

[sharps4070ss]

I think you guys are all wrong on this one.

8.1.2.3

“Selective action” – chamber loaded with hammer fully down,

or chamber loaded and hammer cocked with external safety

engaged (see Divisions in Appendix D)

The Beretta 92 is a DS/SA gun

[Shadow]

I think you guys are all wrong on this one.

8.1.2.3

“Selective action” – chamber loaded with hammer fully down,

or chamber loaded and hammer cocked with external safety

engaged (see Divisions in Appendix D)

The Beretta 92 is a DS/SA gun

Read ALL of D4 (assuming we're talking Procuction Division).

Special conditions:

— Handguns with external hammers must be fully decocked at the start signal.

Edited May 21, 2013 by Shadow

[sharps4070ss]

I think you guys are all wrong on this one.

8.1.2.3

“Selective action” – chamber loaded with hammer fully down,

or chamber loaded and hammer cocked with external safety

engaged (see Divisions in Appendix D)

The Beretta 92 is a DS/SA gun

Read ALL of D4 (assuming we're talking Procuction Division).

Special conditions:

— Handguns with external hammers must be fully decocked at the start signal.

What in D4 would change 8.1.2.3 ?

ETA Never mind.

I re-read 8.1.2.3, and I agree with the panel. (stupid "or" word )

No requirement for safety on.

But for the record, (I run a 92fs in production), and I have the safety on and hammer down.

It's not too hard to flick the safety off while drawing, but do as you like.

Edited May 21, 2013 by sharps4070ss

[KLR]

I too had understood the rule as sharps did until I saw this thread. This will be good to know for future refrence. Thanks.