Matt Griffin Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 I find that I'm getting impatient for my shotgun sights to return and running ahead of it. Any tips on stance, grip, or method that helps folks run plate racks or other close targets at maximum speed? Matt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clint-M Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 I'm a smaller guy so when I try to shoot quickly I can literally be knocked back on my heels if I'm not careful. What I found that really made a difference was driving more with my left hand and less hugging the shotgun in tightly to my shoulder. I keep a looser shoulder and driver with my foregrip. CM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeRush Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 For me speed on steel with the shotgun means a more aggressive stance than I would otherwise use. I probably get 60-70 percent of my weight (depending on the balance of the shotgun) on the leading foot and then bring the gun up to my cheek (as opposed to lowering my head to the gun). Some bend in the knees helps too, a lower stance can help keep you from being pushed back. A higher position of the support hand on the handguard can help with this too. Another aspect is the gun and load you are using. If its a 12 gauge, consider running 1 oz loads. They can be cheaper an offer just a bit less wear and tear on the shoulder. I usually use "game loads" which are 1 oz of shot at 1290, I feel like the sights come back a little faster than even the "target" 1 1/8 oz loads. The target 1 1/8 loads (2 3/4 dram) still push with more energy, and 1 oz loads aren't going to transform you to a lead slinging, plate rack dominating monster, but I feel it helps a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CmbtEngr Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 I'm on the smaller side so I really lean into it - back leg straight, front leg bent. Helps tame recoil and speed recovery. A couple of examples... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkCO Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 Watch Patrick Kelley and Keith Garcia Replicate either and you will be well on the way to winning. Both are great guys, with slightly different approaches, but two of the very best shotgunners. May I also suggest Win AA Lite Target loads... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Rob Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 Here's a pretty good video on recoil management. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EkuJustice Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 If your right handed, put your left leg forward and lean forward into it. On the shotgun, don't wait for your sights to return on target. Shoot it with a target focus. If your shooting a gas gun lighter ammo helps as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkCO Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 Here's a pretty good video on recoil management. I am not sure if you posted that video with that sentence to be sarcastic or not??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.E. Kelley Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Griffin Posted October 3, 2012 Author Share Posted October 3, 2012 Thanks all. Man, some of those videos are shooting FLAT. I'm using regular 1300fps 7 1/2, which probably has something to do with it, plus since I'm new to the game I don't have as much brain power available to set up properly every time. Any shooting teams need a new 3-gun guy with a certain revolver ability? Will represent for ammo and match entries. Matt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EkuJustice Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 What kind of gun were you shooting? A good 1 1/8 oz load at 1145 or even 1200 fps ie 2/34 or 3 dram will help alot. The 1300 FPS stuff is hoteven out of a gas gun. A 1oz load works too if your gun will cycle it and if you choke properly dosent have any issues with taking steel down. Just dont try and track your sight up and down like you do with a handgun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Griffin Posted October 3, 2012 Author Share Posted October 3, 2012 Mossberg 930, so a gas gun. It's fun being ignorant again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bear1142 Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 (edited) Edited October 4, 2012 by Bear1142 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Griffin Posted October 4, 2012 Author Share Posted October 4, 2012 That's all well and good, but I kinda question whether he (you?) could hit separate plates at that rate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkCO Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 That's all well and good, but I kinda question whether he (you?) could hit separate plates at that rate. Pretty sure I can hear the steel. Eric is certainly no rookie, and with the strength and mass he rolls with...I would not bet too much against him on that drill even with separated plates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkCO Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 SNIP...I'm using regular 1300fps 7 1/2, which probably has something to do with it...SNIP Matt The energy difference between 1300 fps and 1145 fps given the same payload, is like the difference between 170 PF and 125 PF in pistol. I can measure a difference on the clock between 1145 and 1200. When I go from 1145 to 1300, my splits almost double. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Griffin Posted October 4, 2012 Author Share Posted October 4, 2012 SNIP...I'm using regular 1300fps 7 1/2, which probably has something to do with it...SNIP Matt The energy difference between 1300 fps and 1145 fps given the same payload, is like the difference between 170 PF and 125 PF in pistol. I can measure a difference on the clock between 1145 and 1200. When I go from 1145 to 1300, my splits almost double. Ahh, that much, huh? Guess I better consign the heavy stuff to trap and buy some Lites. Thanks Mark. Matt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ten-X Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 That is a really good analogy. I've shot lots of sporting clays and as I got better, I started going to lighter 1 oz or even 7/8 oz loads at higher velocities. I never felt like I needed more shot to take a bird but the velocity made hot crossers and long shots improve. The faster the shot gets there the more margin of error you have in the lead. BUT - there is plenty of time for a second shot since you have to pick up the lead on another bird. Translate to 3 gun - I need to back off a lot on the load since splits are everything. Never thought about how much the of an affect the recoil had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ten-X Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 (edited) Double post. Edited October 5, 2012 by Ten-X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sig Shooter Posted October 7, 2012 Share Posted October 7, 2012 Some good videos, I use an M1 Super 90 and shotgun is by far my weak link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bear1142 Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 That's all well and good, but I kinda question whether he (you?) could hit separate plates at that rate. Yes, I can drive the shotgun between plates that fast. Would I ever run that hard in an actual competition?...probably not. Consider that we all try to manage our loads to shoot one-for-one on any given stage; a miss is at least 2 additional seconds. It's more beneficial to slow down a bit and not run 100% of your capability, to ensure you make all you hits. Now a shotgun side match is an entirely different story and I will let it fly, but the that's a different game. The video was primary a demonstration of shotgun recoil control with full power ammo. All 5 shots hit a steel IPSC plate at 10 yds. Phil Strader videod the run and can confirm the hits. Erik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlin Orr Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 (edited) That's all well and good, but I kinda question whether he (you?) could hit separate plates at that rate. Erik is no mortal man (Imagine a lighter colored Incredible Hulk) and the laws of physics do not apply to him when he shoots a shotgun...... Well... maybe they do still apply...but just barely... Edited October 9, 2012 by Merlin Orr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Tischauser Posted October 13, 2012 Share Posted October 13, 2012 When I find myself getting rocked back out of my stance I think WWPKD? What Would Pat Kelly Do? He leans way into the gun! Pat isn't a big barrel chested SOB like Erik Lund, Taran Butler, Kurt Miller or Keith Garcia. He is tall and skinny compared to those dudes. So he has to use leverage rather than body fat err I mean mass to control recoil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCH Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 The energy difference between 1300 fps and 1145 fps given the same payload, is like the difference between 170 PF and 125 PF in pistol. I can measure a difference on the clock between 1145 and 1200. When I go from 1145 to 1300, my splits almost double. good info. I didn't realize there was that much difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Tischauser Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 The energy difference between 1300 fps and 1145 fps given the same payload, is like the difference between 170 PF and 125 PF in pistol. I can measure a difference on the clock between 1145 and 1200. When I go from 1145 to 1300, my splits almost double. good info. I didn't realize there was that much difference. The 1145 fps rounds are easier on the shoulder. I run them more often than I expected I would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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