RevolverJockey Posted April 28, 2012 Share Posted April 28, 2012 I just took the sight off my 627 PC no lock and saw this piece sticking up from the frame. It isn't spring loaded and fits comeletely under the rear sight leaf. Anyone have any idea why it is there? It I tip it over it will fall out, but I didn't look to see of it interfaces with anything inside. When apart for the trigger job a few weeks ago I didn't notice anything different about the internals. This has me baffled. Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joedodge Posted April 28, 2012 Share Posted April 28, 2012 wow thats interesting lee does it protrude into the action at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevolverJockey Posted April 28, 2012 Author Share Posted April 28, 2012 I would have to pull the side plate again to be sure and I don't want to unless it was needed which could be years unless I decide to cut the spur off. I will pill the pin when I get home and see how deep the hole is. It is strange to say the least. Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joedodge Posted April 28, 2012 Share Posted April 28, 2012 oh i see didnt look at the pic close enough to see if the plate was off my bad. that is strange hopefully someone who knows way more than my self chimes in lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slflr Posted April 28, 2012 Share Posted April 28, 2012 Retains firiing pin, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevolverJockey Posted April 28, 2012 Author Share Posted April 28, 2012 When did they come up that fancy technology? Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pskys2 Posted April 28, 2012 Share Posted April 28, 2012 The FP is retained by a pin thru the side of the frame, need to take the sideplate off, on earlier versions. As Bob said it looks like they might have changed it on these models. If it does retain the FP when you pull it out you can then remove the FP & Spring from the rear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevolverJockey Posted April 28, 2012 Author Share Posted April 28, 2012 I just pulled it. That is what it does. Other than my 617 this is the only frame mounted firing pin Smith I have and I have dozens. I have never taken the sights off my 617 so I don't know how the firing pin is held in. Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carmoney Posted April 28, 2012 Share Posted April 28, 2012 I can tell by the hammer that your gun is one of the early-run 627PCs distributed by Lew Horton. I believe that was the very first centerfire S&W model that had the frame-mounted firing pin, and it used a different system of retaining the FP, which was later abandoned in favor of the current retention system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevolverJockey Posted April 28, 2012 Author Share Posted April 28, 2012 I can tell by the hammer that your gun is one of the early-run 627PCs distributed by Lew Horton. I believe that was the very first centerfire S&W model that had the frame-mounted firing pin, and it used a different system of retaining the FP, which was later abandoned in favor of the current retention system. Mike, I assume there is nothing wrong with this setup? If I decide at some point I need an extended FP or a replacement are the parts the same as the current one offered? Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg K Posted April 28, 2012 Share Posted April 28, 2012 The firing pin is the same, it is just retained differently. You will also find that the hammer is taller than the newer N frames. I didn't cut up my hammer like this one since I figured that I could never find a replacement. You can use a newer hammer just fine on yours, it just won't go all the way to the top of the slot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carmoney Posted April 28, 2012 Share Posted April 28, 2012 And actually, the smart play would be to pack up the 627PC and sell it to one of the little old hens on the S&W Forum who thinks the "no-lock" variation is a big deal. You could replace it with a current-production 627-5, which will work every bit as well, and pocket the difference! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Mainus Posted April 28, 2012 Share Posted April 28, 2012 Just don't pull the trigger with the sight off like that. You will never find that little piece of rod that goes in that hole. Ask me how I know this Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevolverJockey Posted April 28, 2012 Author Share Posted April 28, 2012 And actually, the smart play would be to pack up the 627PC and sell it to one of the little old hens on the S&W Forum who thinks the "no-lock" variation is a big deal. You could replace it with a current-production 627-5, which will work every bit as well, and pocket the difference! Funny you mention that as I have been thinking of selling it as I don't have a use for it. I would like a 6" 617 to use for steel and set my 4" as an optic only gun. Problem is I have a stash or hearthco clips, Brownells clips and a BMT tool. I would get killed selling it. Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carmoney Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 I notice it sold right away. See? I made you a couple hundred bucks right there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevolverJockey Posted April 30, 2012 Author Share Posted April 30, 2012 I notice it sold right away. See? I made you a couple hundred bucks right there. I think the difference is I will probably do without one for a while. I would rather have a second 617 set up for optics I think. That may always change in the future. I do also have 1200 new Starline .38 special cases, lucky for me I have 10 other .38s.ee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlockCanMan Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 Mitch_Rapp.45...is that the gun you are selling to me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevolverJockey Posted May 1, 2012 Author Share Posted May 1, 2012 (edited) Mitch_Rapp.45...is that the gun you are selling to me? Yes, but if you have reconsidered it isn't too late. I wont be dropping it off with Mike till later today - let me know. Lee Edited May 1, 2012 by Mitch_Rapp.45 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckaroo45 Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 Yup! That holds the firing pin in place. Remove the rear sight and it's just loose. I used a broken off drill till I got the correct piece from S&W. I think it was 5/64th's. Just try different bits till one fits perfectly, and one will, then seat it all the way in and just break it off. File for fit and appearance and you're good to go. Just make sure the top of the broken drill is pretty flush with the top of the frame or your rear sight won't have full adjustment range. Leave enough nub of the drill to grab w/ a needle nose so it can be removed. Been down that road. Now have 2 pins in the parts box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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