David Thompson Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 Hi all, Geco will be providing the Official Match Ammunition to be used in the World Shoot and for those of youu who are going to Rhodes you know doubt will be wondering about the performance of this ammunition. I have tested several calibres and types of this IPSC Approved ammunition. The velocity was checked with a CED M2 Chronograph and the accuracy was tested with a Ransom Rest and by bench resting. If you are planning to use this ammunition, this article will show you the accuracy potential and IPSC power factor of the Official Match Ammunition being supplied for the World Shoot. The link on my web site is http://www.practicalhandgun.com/ammunition/95-geco-pistol-ammunition-for-ipsc-world-shoot.html For those of you who have not visited my site before you need to register. This is a simple process of giving you a user name and password. I only use your e mail address to send you a message when new information is added to the site. Regards, David. www.practicalhandgun.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 Why not copy the article in here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pivoproseem Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 (edited) I thought it was going to be MFS ammo, which is owned by RUAG,the same company that produces GECO...but the match ammo is made in Hungary.... Edited July 20, 2011 by pivoproseem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck223 Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 All the MFS ammo sold in Canada seems to be made in Hungary. Perhaps owned by RUAG, but operated in Hungary? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Thompson Posted July 21, 2011 Author Share Posted July 21, 2011 (edited) Why not copy the article in here? It is very long with a lot of images. Geco have contacted me this morning and informed me that they are working at full speed to produce a .40 S&W round with a longer overall length with C.I.P. approval, for Standard Division competitors to use at World Shoot XVI. When I get more information on this I will add it to the article on my web site and post this information here as well. MFS is now owned by Geco - RUAG, but it will be Geco ammunition that will be used at World Shoot XVI. Regards, David. Edited July 21, 2011 by David Thompson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Thompson Posted July 25, 2011 Author Share Posted July 25, 2011 At the request of USA Team Infinity Shooter Lee Neel, I measured the case head diameter of the Geco IPSC Approved .38 Super major power factor ammunition. Lee wanted to know this information so he could determine that this ammunition would properly function through his SVI. I just measured the case head diameter of 10 cases. The smallest diameter was 10.18mm and the largest diameter was 10.23mm. The average diameter of the 10 cases measured was 10.215mm. I will also add this information to the Geco World Shoot Ammunition article on my web site. Regards, David. www.practicalhandgun.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Thompson Posted July 30, 2011 Author Share Posted July 30, 2011 Geco have a section on their web site with details on their match ammunition to be used in the World Shoot and the roll the company will be playing in Rhodes. You can see this information at http://www.geco.rws-munition.de/ipsc.html Regards, David. www.practicalhandgun.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Thompson Posted August 5, 2011 Author Share Posted August 5, 2011 The following has appeared on the World Shoot web site and will be of interest to those who are competing in Standard Division with 2011 pistols. Regards, David. www.practicalhandgun.com 40 S&W (long version) ammunition is available, with the following data: Overall length: 1,176 to 1,180 ( 29.87 to 29.97 mm ) Case: Fiocchi Primer: Fiocchi Bullet: 180 grains, Round Nose Flat Point, match grade. Powder: Vihtavuori 3N37 PF: Major. Price will be announced soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCB Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 Anyone have an idea of how many grain 3N37 to use in a load like this? Want to test it. Have no experience with 3N37 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Thompson Posted August 14, 2011 Author Share Posted August 14, 2011 When using 3N37 powder with a 180 Fiocchi FMJ bullet Vihtavuori give the following data on their web site. With a COL of 28.6mm ( to C.I.P. specification ) out of a 5.5 inch barrel they list Starting load 5.4 grains for 948 feet per second ( fps ). Maximum load 6.1 grains for 1049 fps. The World Shoot Official Match Ammunition ( OMA ) will have a COL of 29.87 to 29.97 mm, which will lower the velocity figures. For those of you who want to try and duplicate the OMA to practice with and check your point of aim – point of impact, this will give you a starting point. Check out http://www.lapua.com/en/products/reloading/vihtavuori-reloading-data/relodata/6/25 Before you start assembling ammunition. Regards, David. www.practicalhandgun.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Griffin Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 Would anyone know of whether there will be ammunition available at the match if you didn't preorder any ammo? I'm trying to slide into a recently vacated slot and I can't determine how to get enough ammo there for the competition, I would need about 600 .45 ACP. I've contacted the match info email but haven't received a reply yet. Thanks, Matt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schutzenmeister Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 Would anyone know of whether there will be ammunition available at the match if you didn't preorder any ammo? I'm trying to slide into a recently vacated slot and I can't determine how to get enough ammo there for the competition, I would need about 600 .45 ACP. I've contacted the match info email but haven't received a reply yet. Thanks, Matt Matt A word to the wise: You are unlikely to get through the entire match with only 600 rounds available. Based on experience, I recommend having 800-1000 available. Good luck ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Merricks Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 The following has appeared on the World Shoot web site and will be of interest to those who are competing in Standard Division with 2011 pistols. Regards, David. www.practicalhandgun.com 40 S&W (long version) ammunition is available, with the following data: Overall length: 1,176 to 1,180 ( 29.87 to 29.97 mm ) Case: Fiocchi Primer: Fiocchi Bullet: 180 grains, Round Nose Flat Point, match grade. Powder: Vihtavuori 3N37 PF: Major. Price will be announced soon. 3N37 for Standard? mmmmmmmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe4d Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 yeh no kidding, somebody got there wires crossed with an open powder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RePete Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 Last Saturday I won a box of MFS 9mm ammo and it's made in Russia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shred Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 The following has appeared on the World Shoot web site and will be of interest to those who are competing in Standard Division with 2011 pistols. Regards, David. www.practicalhandgun.com 40 S&W (long version) ammunition is available, with the following data: Overall length: 1,176 to 1,180 ( 29.87 to 29.97 mm ) Case: Fiocchi Primer: Fiocchi Bullet: 180 grains, Round Nose Flat Point, match grade. Powder: Vihtavuori 3N37 PF: Major. Price will be announced soon. 3N37 for Standard? mmmmmmmmm Remember they need a load that both makes 170+ PF in most 5" guns and also won't blow up any random .40 it gets loaded into. The ammo is going to be loaded somewhere in Europe, more than likely by a few guys and a Dillon, so powder-wise there's not a whole lot of options, with VV likely one of the best. Using anything but factory book loads would be insane even in a low-liability location, so for VV that leaves N340, 3N37 and N350 as the options. Why 3N37 of those three I couldn't guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schutzenmeister Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 Remember they need a load that both makes 170+ PF in most 5" guns and also won't blow up any random .40 it gets loaded into. The ammo is going to be loaded somewhere in Europe, more than likely by a few guys and a Dillon, so powder-wise there's not a whole lot of options, with VV likely one of the best. Using anything but factory book loads would be insane even in a low-liability location, so that leaves N340, 3N37 and N350 as the options. Why 3N37 of those three I couldn't guess. I've used 3N37 for years ... I've always found it to be exceptionally consistent regardless of atmospheric conditions. I've also never had a problem making power in either my 38 Super or my 40 while using it. As to using "book" load data for liability ... They might be able to sidestep the issue if they have access to proper testing equipment and can pressure test their custom loads. Just my experience with the powder ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Thompson Posted September 12, 2011 Author Share Posted September 12, 2011 The USPSA has published a World Shoot – Geco Ammunition Report on their web site. You can view it at http://www.uspsa.org/downloads/WSAMMOPROMO.pdf Regards, David. www.practicalhandgun.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Thompson Posted September 13, 2011 Author Share Posted September 13, 2011 40 S&W (loaded long version) ammunition, is available, with the following data: Overall length: 1,176 to 1,180 Case: Fiocchi Primer: Fiocchi Bullet: 180 grains, Round Nose Flat Point, match grade. Powder: Vihtavuori 3N37 PF: Major. Price: 24 euro per 50 rounds You can view this information at http://www.wsh2011.org/match-ammunition.html Regards, David. www.practicalhandgun.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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