BoyGlock Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 2 targets arranged vertically, first target above the second which is much nearer to me, I cant let my eyes lead/snap to the secong target w/c I could not see because its covered by my arms/hands as I engage the first target. How do you do the trans? tia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wide45 Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 Unless there is a good reason not to, you always start with the lower target and transition low to high. Just take the time it takes to make the shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlamoShooter Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 Unless there is a good reason not to, you always start with the lower target and transition low to high. This is real "Old School" used to be part of basic learning. Old school in a good way They used to have a stage called Double Trouble = we still have a 29+ year old target stand= it has a 12" plate 18" off the ground and second 12"plate at about 55" off the ground at normal SC target height. It used to be a Steel Challenge stage = just the two targets with five runs. The times got a bit crazy is , I think that is why it got replaced. 0.85 crazy Mr Brian E. can tell us more on that one So yes on -most-any target you want to fugue out how to get your eyes to the next target as soon as the last shot is finished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob D Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 The times got a bit crazy is , I think that is why it got replaced. 0.85 crazy Mr Brian E. can tell us more on that one I think there is a video of this stage on Brian's Competition Reloading DVD. I saw it, then watched it about 15 times in slow-motion. Pretty amazing stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Matzka Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 2 targets arranged vertically, first target above the second which is much nearer to me, I cant let my eyes lead/snap to the secong target w/c I could not see because its covered by my arms/hands as I engage the first target. How do you do the trans? tia Shoot the low target first, allowing the gun's recoil help you drive it to the higher target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan-O-Mite Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 I find that coming down onto a target blind that I often shoot it very low. It is now my pratice to shoot from bottom to top when possible. Works for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckS Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 The times got a bit crazy is , I think that is why it got replaced. 0.85 crazy Mr Brian E. can tell us more on that one I think there is a video of this stage on Brian's Competition Reloading DVD. I saw it, then watched it about 15 times in slow-motion. Pretty amazing stuff. Here's a link to Brian's 0.93 DT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoyGlock Posted January 13, 2011 Author Share Posted January 13, 2011 Unless there is a good reason not to, you always start with the lower target and transition low to high. But some cofs would give great disadvantage on bottom-top trans so I better practice top-bottom trans. As expected, w/o the eyes leading the gun, the trans is quite slow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Matzka Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 But some cofs would give great disadvantage on bottom-top trans so I better practice top-bottom trans. As expected, w/o the eyes leading the gun, the trans is quite slow. You could always shoot "gangsta-style" (one-handed, gun tipped over to a 90-degree angle). Then at least you could see the bottom target. I'M KIDDING! :roflol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 Unless there is a good reason not to, you always start with the lower target and transition low to high. But some cofs would give great disadvantage on bottom-top trans so I better practice top-bottom trans. As expected, w/o the eyes leading the gun, the trans is quite slow. could you show some examples? the most common thing that comes to mind would be a vision barrier. given that, I would look to take the visible target upon setting up in a position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Braxton1 Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 I generally try to use a bottom-to-top transition if possible. Our local course designer uses a LOT of stacked targets. The biggest goof that we routinely see is when shooters do the "shoot, look, shoot" technique, they will drag the second shot up and into the top target. Waiting for proper follow-thru on that #2 shot is critical, so letting recoil "carry" the gun up to the top target is risky at best..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nik Habicht Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 Unless there is a good reason not to, you always start with the lower target and transition low to high. But some cofs would give great disadvantage on bottom-top trans so I better practice top-bottom trans. As expected, w/o the eyes leading the gun, the trans is quite slow. could you show some examples? the most common thing that comes to mind would be a vision barrier. given that, I would look to take the visible target upon setting up in a position. Close bottom target, farther out top, on a dusty range..... You might want to shoot top-bottom in that scenario, unless you want to wait for the dust to settle so you can see the top, far target..... I had to learn that one the hard way -- with ribbing from a GM.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 Shoot faster than dust...? (thanks for an example) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoyGlock Posted January 14, 2011 Author Share Posted January 14, 2011 Unless there is a good reason not to, you always start with the lower target and transition low to high. But some cofs would give great disadvantage on bottom-top trans so I better practice top-bottom trans. As expected, w/o the eyes leading the gun, the trans is quite slow. could you show some examples? the most common thing that comes to mind would be a vision barrier. given that, I would look to take the visible target upon setting up in a position. yes, a horizontal vision barrier as in a window sill of a port. The upper target appears first so i have to index to it first as I move to the port, shoot at it then trans to the target nearer and below the first target. I always felt I was groping for the second target as I move my gun towards it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corey Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 simple answer. practice shooting transitions both ways, top-bottom and bottom-top. then you'll be good to go no matter what the stage throws at you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wide45 Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 Unless there is a good reason not to, you always start with the lower target and transition low to high. But some cofs would give great disadvantage on bottom-top trans so I better practice top-bottom trans. As expected, w/o the eyes leading the gun, the trans is quite slow. could you show some examples? the most common thing that comes to mind would be a vision barrier. given that, I would look to take the visible target upon setting up in a position. yes, a horizontal vision barrier as in a window sill of a port. The upper target appears first so i have to index to it first as I move to the port, shoot at it then trans to the target nearer and below the first target. I always felt I was groping for the second target as I move my gun towards it. It's gonna be slow when you shoot the first target before you can see the second. You burn a lot of time finding targets that way. Try coming in hard on the low target, and leaving on the high one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Di Vita Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 The simplest answer is to KNOW exactly where the target is. If you do know where the target is, then you can look at the point the target will appear when you move your hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoyGlock Posted January 14, 2011 Author Share Posted January 14, 2011 simple answer. practice shooting transitions both ways, top-bottom and bottom-top. then you'll be good to go no matter what the stage throws at you this is what I do, but I thought theres a better technique to practice it The simplest answer is to KNOW exactly where the target is. If you do know where the target is, then you can look at the point the target will appear when you move your hands. I usually do this in practice, still its slower than usual. Maybe w/ continuous practice it should improve...thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Di Vita Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 10,000 hours of practice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoyGlock Posted January 15, 2011 Author Share Posted January 15, 2011 10,000 hours of practice. that should do it you know some stage designers had the penchant of putting a penalty target close to "A" on this target that this skill needs special attention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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