JxMAN25 Posted October 19, 2010 Share Posted October 19, 2010 hey guys. where is the cheapest place to buy lead cast bullets for 9mm? also how else can i save money reloading? thanks in advance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freakshow10mm Posted October 19, 2010 Share Posted October 19, 2010 Don't know about cheapest but I've used Missouri Bullet Company quite a lot and really like them. www.missouribullet.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWFAN Posted October 19, 2010 Share Posted October 19, 2010 Buy in BULK. 1 Case minimum on bullets (6 case order from Manny USA is the way to go for Montana Gold which gets about to what I can buy lead locally for), group buys on Powder and Primers to save on Hazmat. Dont forget to factor shipping cost. A lot of the lead bullet co's dont include shipping. I attached a price comparison I did with Precision Delta, Precision Moly, Montana gold, BBI, Two Alpha Lead and Bayou. To me, BBI bullets seem to be the best deal for what you get. Less mess and smoke than lead, at lead prices. Book21.zip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gng4life Posted October 19, 2010 Share Posted October 19, 2010 Buy in BULK. 1 Case minimum on bullets (6 case order from Manny USA is the way to go for Montana Gold which gets about to what I can buy lead locally for), group buys on Powder and Primers to save on Hazmat. Dont forget to factor shipping cost. A lot of the lead bullet co's dont include shipping. I attached a price comparison I did with Precision Delta, Precision Moly, Montana gold, BBI, Two Alpha Lead and Bayou. To me, BBI bullets seem to be the best deal for what you get. Less mess and smoke than lead, at lead prices. Thanks for the info! How long ago did you prepare this? Thanks again... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWFAN Posted October 19, 2010 Share Posted October 19, 2010 Last couple months. Manny's prices are based on a current special. Be sure to email him first to see if prices have changed. They are usually different on the current flyer than they are on his website. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BallisticianX Posted October 19, 2010 Share Posted October 19, 2010 The cheapest cast lead bullets Ive found is Sundance Bullets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougCarden Posted October 19, 2010 Share Posted October 19, 2010 Another vote for www.twoalphabullet.com....... I was down there last Friday, and John has a big pile ready to ship.... DougC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JxMAN25 Posted October 19, 2010 Author Share Posted October 19, 2010 (edited) ok thanks guys. I saw a video on youtube about a guy who says he can reload .357 for $2-$3 for a box of 50 bullets. He also said you can find 1000 lead cast bullets for around $30 where can i find such a good deal? Also would it be cheaper for me to by moly coated lead bullets? if so where? thanks again Edited October 19, 2010 by JxMAN25 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLM Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 Thirty bucks a thousand? I haven't seen them that cheap for several years. Did you happen to notice the date on the video? Yea, I had a local caster that was in the 30 to 35 a thousand range for 9mm but that was before the price of lead went stupid high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JxMAN25 Posted October 20, 2010 Author Share Posted October 20, 2010 i think it was in 2008. do you know of an indevidual that sells lead cast bullets? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cy Soto Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 (edited) Buy in BULK. 1 Case minimum on bullets (6 case order from Manny USA is the way to go for Montana Gold which gets about to what I can buy lead locally for), group buys on Powder and Primers to save on Hazmat. Manny's advertised prices are really tempting but it is difficult to get six other shooters that want to go in on a group buy at the same time as you. Or that are using the same bullet type that you are interested in. And Lord knows that I cannot afford to purchase 6 cases of bullets at the time! The cheapest cast lead bullets Ive found is Sundance Bullets. Sundance Bullets' quality is great and their prices are superb! The best part is that they are right here in Colorado. Though I now shoot Precision Delta in matches, I still use the Sundance 135gr bullets for practice. Edited to add: http://sundancebullets.com/ Edited October 20, 2010 by Cy Soto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freakshow10mm Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 i think it was in 2008. do you know of an indevidual that sells lead cast bullets? Buy bullets from a commercially licensed FFL. Individuals that sell make and sell bullets without having the proper FFL are operating illegally. Even in 2008, selling cast bullets for $30 per thousand is just plain stupid. That leads me to believe they are not properly licensed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cy Soto Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 (edited) Individuals that sell make and sell bullets without having the proper FFL are operating illegally. I was under the impression that you only needed an FFL if you were selling assembled cartridges but not if you were manufacturing just the projectile. So does this mean that any person casting lead bullets in their garage is infringing upon the law? Or do they fall into an exemption clause as long as they are not profiting from the sale of the item? Edited for clarification. Edited October 20, 2010 by Cy Soto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMV Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 Manny's advertised prices are really tempting but it is difficult to get six other shooters that want to go in on a group buy at the same time as you. Or that are using the same bullet type that you are interested in. And Lord knows that I cannot afford to purchase 6 cases of bullets at the time! If you call him, you can order one case at a time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWFAN Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 (edited) The 6 case price is ANY 6 cases. Not 6 of 1 type. (just did a group buy with 10 cases). I know its hard to get guys to do it, its taken me 4 months to find enough guys. But i wasnt hard up for bullets so I could wait to save some money. Then 2 weeks after your order, they tell you that they just bought 1 case from Montana gold directly for $300. Hmm.. guess they dont like saving $30. Sundance is only $2 cheaper than BBI for 3K 147gr 9mm bullets when you consider shipping cost. Edited October 20, 2010 by DWFAN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freakshow10mm Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 (edited) Individuals that sell make and sell bullets without having the proper FFL are operating illegally. I was under the impression that you only needed an FFL if you were selling assembled cartridges but not if you were manufacturing just the projectile. So does this mean that any person casting lead bullets in their garage is infringing upon the law? Or do they fall into an exemption clause as long as they are not profiting from the sale of the item? Edited for clarification. No, reloading for personal use only is not manufacturing ammunition and does not require an FFL. According to the Gun Control Act of 1968, ammunition includes loaded cartridges and individual components (see 27 CFR 478.11 for definitions). For purposes of the Act, bullets (cast, machined, swaged, any manner of manufacturing methods) are ammunition. The manufacture of such, including casting lead alloy bullets, for consideration (legal term for sale, trade, barter, exchange, compensation, et al) is the act of manufacturing for livelihood and profit. Even selling at cost or charging labor only is forbidden without the manufacturing FFL. The ATF considers it an attempt to make profit, therefore falling under the law. This also applies to the gun show reloaders that sell their reloads at gun shows without a license. There is no exemption for selling just at gun shows and they are doing so illegally. Gunbroker is full of guys selling their reloads without a license. Anyone can make up a fancy label, buy the packaging, and make up a business type name for their reloads. Very few licensed reloaders sell on Gunbroker. Some people think that if you are reloading fired brass you don't need an FFL and that is completely false. Sure there are many people and outfits that are casting bullets, swaging bullets, and making ammo without the proper FFL. If and when the ATF catches up with them, they will not be nice as they take violations like that very seriously. I on the other hand, have the proper licensing for my company. The manufacturing FFL types are: 06 Manufacturer of ammunition for firearms other than destructive devices 07 Manufacturer of firearms other than destructive devices (also allowed to manufacture ammunition for the same) 10 Manufacturer of destructive devices and ammunition for destructive devices (also allowed to manufacture "normal" firearms and ammunition for the same) 06 is ammo only. 07 is firearms and ammo (plus dealer privileges). 10 is everything (aka "the super license") Edited October 20, 2010 by freakshow10mm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throttleup Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 S&S Casting - 9mm, 115gr or 125 Gr. LRN $55.50 per 1000. Flat rate shipping $13.75 for 70 lbs. Real good bullets. Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cy Soto Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 Sundance is only $2 cheaper than BBI for 3K 147gr 9mm bullets when you consider shipping cost. It's a little bit more than that. Sundance charges $11 for shipping up to 70 lbs which is to say that you can ship receive 3,000 147gr in the same box for the same price. Ordering 3,000 bullets from BBI costs $195 and the same quantity from Sundance comes to $182 ($171 for 3,000 bullets + $11 shipping). It is true that the price difference is only $13 but IMO cleaning moly from the barrel is not any easier tan cleaning lead. And in my very limited experience, they smoke about the same too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWFAN Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 Sundance website charged me $22 in shipping for 3K 147gr. So thats all I have to go off of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cy Soto Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 Sundance website charged me $22 in shipping for 3K 147gr. So thats all I have to go off of. Good point; I hadn't thought about the fact that these are 147gr bullets. If I remember correctly, I was told by the owner that they limit their shipping weight to 50 lbs. This assures that the box doesn't get damaged in transit and its content lost. 3,000 147gr bullets will weight approximately 63 lbs which means that they'll ship 2,000 in one box and the other 1,000 in a separate box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JxMAN25 Posted October 24, 2010 Author Share Posted October 24, 2010 has anybody ever used MIDSTATES CAST BULLETS befor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BMartens Posted October 24, 2010 Share Posted October 24, 2010 I have loaded some in .45 ACP and they were just fine. Comparable to other brands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JxMAN25 Posted October 24, 2010 Author Share Posted October 24, 2010 ok sweet. they are the cheapest that i have found. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpyOne Posted October 24, 2010 Share Posted October 24, 2010 Individuals that sell make and sell bullets without having the proper FFL are operating illegally. I was under the impression that you only needed an FFL if you were selling assembled cartridges but not if you were manufacturing just the projectile. So does this mean that any person casting lead bullets in their garage is infringing upon the law? Or do they fall into an exemption clause as long as they are not profiting from the sale of the item? Edited for clarification. No, the person making and using them from his/her garage is not breaking the law, only those that sell them without a type 6 FFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpyOne Posted October 24, 2010 Share Posted October 24, 2010 (edited) Try Space Coast Bullets in Titusville, FL. I get lead 40 S&W 180 grain TCN bullets from them for about $70 per 1,000. I don't know what they would charge for shipping, as I usually run down there and pick them up. 9mm will probably be a bit cheaper. Edit to add: I just went to their website, they are showing 9mm 147gr FP at $58.50 per box of 1,000. http://www.spacecoastbullets.com/ Plus, they have a cool ass logo! Edited October 24, 2010 by GrumpyOne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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