Resjudicata Posted August 15, 2010 Share Posted August 15, 2010 Does anyone know for sure if it is within the rules for Bianchi to use a movable front sight on a Metallic Division gun? The gun uses standard notch and post sights but the front sight can be moved side to side for use on the mover stage. The rules don't address this for Metallic Division but the rules specifically say that you can't use them in Production. This leads me to believe that a moveable front sight is allowed for Metallic. However, some local guys that have shot Bianchi for a while said that a mover front sight is not allowed. Anyone know for sure? Anyone currently use one? Please let me know. Thanks, Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan550 Posted August 15, 2010 Share Posted August 15, 2010 Run it!! It's legal for Metallic Sight class so long as it's notch & post. One shooter a couple years back put a Bowmar-type rib sight on top of a Stick-Shift and ran that in Metallic. No problems. Alan~^~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan550 Posted August 15, 2010 Share Posted August 15, 2010 (edited) double post Edited August 15, 2010 by Alan550 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gusshuman Posted August 16, 2010 Share Posted August 16, 2010 Toolman makes a mover front sight. Al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gm iprod Posted August 16, 2010 Share Posted August 16, 2010 I have one, they are brilliant. So does Jerry M ( he had the first )and I think Bruce Piatt. They are a fearsome price, but one look and you will understand why. I just love it. It is difficult to adjust to, as you naturally want to lead, I shot quite a few 6 oclock and 3 oclock 5's for a while as I forgot to NOT lead. The sight picture is so much easier as you just stick teh front sight under the black dot and go for it. A new rear sight will be required as they are quite high. I have an Aristocrat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resjudicata Posted August 16, 2010 Author Share Posted August 16, 2010 Thanks guys. I just wanted to make sure on the rules. As GMProd says, the price is high so I don't want it to be something just sitting in a drawer. The sight is really neat but you can tell why the price is high. The work it takes to make it would make you go blind. Toolguy/Warren is who I'm getting it from. As far as I know he is the only one to make it. He has one with a .09" blade on it that is exactly what I want. I just need to sell a gun to pay for it. Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cavallino Posted October 9, 2010 Share Posted October 9, 2010 Does anyone have a pic of what Warren's front sight looks like mounted on the gun?? Also what rear sight notch width are you running with the 0.9" blade?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toolguy Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 (edited) There are now pictures and price of the mover front in the vendor tent forum. Edited October 13, 2010 by Toolguy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BPiatt Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 I had one of Warren's for a while. I shot in the 2008 World Action Pistol Match in New Zealand. It's completely adustable for your lead points and like anything Warren builds, it's a thing of perfection. Like the other posts state, if you are currently holding for a lead, it takes some time to remember to hold center. Some range time is all you need, unfortunately that is not what I have, so I sold mine. The cost is high but from what Warren explained to me is that there is a lot of time and effort into hand making each one. Between the tight tolerances and the heat treating process, one part can take several attempts at getting it right. Mine was set up with a standard dovetail mounting for the front sight and an Aristocrat tri-set rear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwc Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 I think I gotta have one! (Especially if Chris gets one. ) Would look great on my STI Targetmaster! How much will one set me back? Mark Crabtree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwc Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 Thanks Warren...I'll be calling you soon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1911vm Posted October 15, 2010 Share Posted October 15, 2010 Could some one please post pic. thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwc Posted October 15, 2010 Share Posted October 15, 2010 Go to the vendor tents...Protocall Design. Pics and prices are there. Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resjudicata Posted November 1, 2010 Author Share Posted November 1, 2010 Warren installed my .09" mover front sight yesterday. It looks great. I'll try and post a photo tonight or tomorrow. He buried the sight into my muzzle attachment so the mover sight is at the same height that a normal sight. This way I can use it with my Bomar style rear. Now I just need to put a plug into the old dovetail on the slide and respray the black moly coat on the slide and muzzle. Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resjudicata Posted November 1, 2010 Author Share Posted November 1, 2010 (edited) Here are some pics of the mover sight installed on the muzzle of the gun. Like I said above, I haven't coated the muzzle yet. Chris Edited November 1, 2010 by Resjudicata Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWFAN Posted November 1, 2010 Share Posted November 1, 2010 Thats pretty sweet Chris. How many different positions does it have ? Just 1 on each side of center ? Warren.. You the man! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resjudicata Posted November 1, 2010 Author Share Posted November 1, 2010 Yeah, just three positions. Left, Middle and Right. Just like the Stickshift. The angle doesn't change for each position on the mover. So, just slide it to the correct side and aim at the X ring. Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cavallino Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 Chris , that is a very functional looking setup, you can appreciate the work Warren has put into it. What rear sight notch width do you plan on running with it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gm iprod Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 A big one is best for me. PLenty of light around each side of the front sight. It will help you see the front sight below the black fuzzy blob and stop you from trying to lead it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1911vm Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 Here are some pics of the mover sight installed on the muzzle of the gun. Like I said above, I haven't coated the muzzle yet. Chris Chris who makes that mag-well and is that ok for meatalic??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resjudicata Posted November 2, 2010 Author Share Posted November 2, 2010 Chris , that is a very functional looking setup, you can appreciate the work Warren has put into it. What rear sight notch width do you plan on running with it? I believe the rear sight notch is .125" but I'll have to check. I'm with GM, I like quite a bit of light on either side of the front sight. But, I did find that for me I can get too much light. I like what Brian Enos recommends. 1/2 that width of the front sight worth of light on either side of the front sight while in the rear notch. Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resjudicata Posted November 2, 2010 Author Share Posted November 2, 2010 (edited) Here are some pics of the mover sight installed on the muzzle of the gun. Like I said above, I haven't coated the muzzle yet. Chris Chris who makes that mag-well and is that ok for meatalic??? Warren Moore of Protocal Design also makes the magwell. You can get to him in the vendor area or just scan up this page to a post he made earlier as Toolguy and PM him. It's a nice magwell. It just pins on using the mainspring pin and has an adjustment screw to snug it up to the frame. Chris Edited November 2, 2010 by Resjudicata Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1911vm Posted November 6, 2010 Share Posted November 6, 2010 Ok not to sound stupid but I understand the front sights moving, but would you not need to lead the target any way when you move to different positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toolguy Posted November 6, 2010 Share Posted November 6, 2010 (edited) No - You hold on the X ring at all distances. Imagine a V shape with the barrel being one leg of the V and the sights or scope (line of sight) being the other leg. You are the vertex or point of the V. You sight in for the right lead at 25 yards going both ways. This is the top open part of the V. Each time you get closer to the target, the v is shorter and the legs are closer together, also making the lead shorter. This works because the target is a constant known velocity moving at a known right angle to the shooter. The only variation to this is at the 10 yard line if you shoot at the target near the barrier instead of in the middle, you need to subtract a little lead. Edited November 6, 2010 by Toolguy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldfieldshooter Posted November 6, 2010 Share Posted November 6, 2010 Deduct a little lead Warren (back of the X ring) as the angle effectively makes the target slower. Coatesy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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