Dump1567 Posted April 7, 2002 Share Posted April 7, 2002 For LEO's using Duty gear for production class does the equipment (holster and mag pouches) have to be behind the hip? Most LEO's wear their mag pouches in front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shooter Grrl Posted April 8, 2002 Share Posted April 8, 2002 Nope - but they don't have to be BEHIND, just line them up on your seam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singlestack Posted April 8, 2002 Share Posted April 8, 2002 All of them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shooter Grrl Posted April 8, 2002 Share Posted April 8, 2002 Very funny SS ;-0 Most of the guys I've seen have the first one just in front of the seam, but touching it so they meet the rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpty1 Posted April 8, 2002 Share Posted April 8, 2002 After last year's production division experience at the limited nationals, I'm curious to see how they interpret and enforce that rule this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted April 8, 2002 Share Posted April 8, 2002 Chris, Can you give us a refresher on what happened last year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpty1 Posted April 8, 2002 Share Posted April 8, 2002 There was a fairly lengthy post on here somewhere, but I have been unable to find it. The rule for US production division says the holster must be worn behind the center of the hip bone. To me, this means I can place the holster some little bit forward of the body centerline. I arrived at my first stage of the limited nats last year with my holster for the most part strong side aligned; meaning the muzzle was probably within a half inch or so forward of the centerline of my pants (with the clarification that the centerline of my pants was consistent with the centerline of my body). I was lucky enough to be the first shooter in my squad. When I went to the line, the RO promptly told me my holster was in the wrong position. Due to belt loop placement, I had to bag my loaded mags and make my way to a safe area to move my holster probably an inch to the rear, holding up the whole squad for a short period of time. Something to be said for velcro belts, right? The RO specifically said my "muzzle needed to be behind the centerline of my body". I thought I'd took a wrong turn and ended up at an IDPA match. Obviously, there was and will be some variety in interpretation by each RO. Don't get me wrong, moving the holster wasn't a big deal...then or now. I just think the rule verbage and application are not in alignment. I'll keep searching for the previous post as I'm sure it is stated much better as the issue was fresh on my mind at the time it was written. I now wear my holster in the behind centerline position as that is where I have to place it for IDPA matches, as I shoot both. That way I have consistency and there is actually no difference in my first shot times either a bit forward or a bit aft of centerline. When you start reaching for the fourth or fifth mag you start to look like a pretzel anyway if you start mag placement anywhere near the centerline of the body. BTW, I hoping since this nationals is a Lim-10/Production/Revolver match the round count will be high but there won't be many 48 round field courses. Those are tough on prod and Lim-10 shooters and even tougher on the wheelers. (Edited by cpty1 at 11:25 am on April 8, 2002) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpty1 Posted April 8, 2002 Share Posted April 8, 2002 I found the earlier post I mentioned. Check page three of this very forum for a post titled "Production Division Observations" started by yours truly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted April 9, 2002 Share Posted April 9, 2002 Here is the link: http://www.brianenos.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard...27&topic=16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Thomas Posted April 25, 2002 Share Posted April 25, 2002 I know in IDPA rules you don't have to have the entire holster, or muzzle, behind the pants seam/body centerline. It's the center of the trigger pad that has to be behind center. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bird Posted May 23, 2002 Author Share Posted May 23, 2002 I see alot of production 9mm shooters using 15-20-30 round mags (loaded to capacity) in USPSA matches. I thought that you were only supposed to load 10 +1. (IPSC and USPSA rules). No flames intended but when I shoot production I only have 10 round mags and I have to do 3 reloads compared to someone with a 30 round long stick who does no reloads (on a 30 round cof). 3 reloads really cut into ones overall time compared to someone who doesn't have to reload.. Would someone please clarify this for me. Thanks... (Edited by bird at 8:59 pm on May 22, 2002) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nik Habicht Posted May 23, 2002 Share Posted May 23, 2002 Bird, If those guys are shooting in production division and loading more than ten rounds in any mag, they should be moved to open division pursuant to Rule 6.2.6. I'd certainly raise the issue with the match director. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted May 23, 2002 Share Posted May 23, 2002 I think they are shooting the Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Pinto Posted May 23, 2002 Share Posted May 23, 2002 Bird, Under IPSC rules, there is no capacity restrictions in Production Divison. The only related rules are: 1) No "+2" (or similar) base plates, and 2) The magazine must be of the same dimensions as those supplied by the gun manufacturer for the subject gun. Hence you may not use, say, Glock 17 magazines in a Glock 19 nor Glock 18 (31 round) magazines in a Glock 17, and so on. However you are permitted to use "after-market" magazines in your Glock 17 provided the overall length is the same as the magazines supplied by Glock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildman Posted May 23, 2002 Share Posted May 23, 2002 The 14th edition of the rules is pretty clear for USPSA. Appendix E states no more than 10 rounds in the magazine for production. There was a long discussion on one of the forums about L-10 and barney bulletts. 10 means 10, not 11 or more, even to load on command. 10 in the mag, strip one into the chamber, and reload the mag or insert a full one. Same issue applies to production. That said, are you sure the other guy is shooting production? We have a few who shoot that style gun in Limited. Good luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSeevers Posted May 23, 2002 Share Posted May 23, 2002 Kind of related to this is Production requires a specific holster/mag position. I see this rule violated more frequently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detlef Posted June 11, 2002 Share Posted June 11, 2002 30-rd. mags in *any* IPSC division make me curious! Isn't there a mag length limit even in Open? Do they rest their guns on the ground with their mags? Inquiring minds.... --Detlef Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSeevers Posted June 11, 2002 Share Posted June 11, 2002 Detlef Yes open allows a 170 mm mag max. You are right if I could I would have a 45 round mag. Shooting is always faster than reloading Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaiserb Posted June 11, 2002 Share Posted June 11, 2002 Production the way I understood it is: Non modified (only minor mods) gun with more than 500 produced by manufacturer. You always are shooting minor PF because there is no major PF in Production. 10+1 rounds loaded 10+1 rounds shot before reload. All Equipment, holster and mag holder behind hip bone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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