short_round Posted January 19, 2004 Share Posted January 19, 2004 We shot a stage stoday where the last array was engaged from around a corner. From the corner there were two targets about 12 yards away behind a 4 foot tall barricade. Also from the corner you could only see the upper A/B and a couple inches of the C zone. You have the option to: 1) Run the 11 yards to the barricade reach over it and have access to the "entire" (see Note below) targets from about 4 away feet reaching over a 4 foot barricade. 2) Shoot at the upper A/B's while moving at it. 3) Stand at the corner and shoot at the upper A/B's. Which would you do? Note: There was a no shoot between the two targets covering one side of the C and D zones of each target and the upper edge of the barricade is lined with no shoots as well. Additional note: "upper A/B" is also referred to as the "head" for the politically incorrect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted January 19, 2004 Share Posted January 19, 2004 I'll bet, with just two target, I would shoot them from back at the corner. If I had a head of steam already, then I might move on up. It would likely depend on what I was doing just before the corner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skywalker Posted January 19, 2004 Share Posted January 19, 2004 Time for some 1st degree math: 11 yds rush from standing to 1st shot= 1.8/2 secs (if you are in good phisical shape, 2.5 seconds or more if you are in not-so-good shape). 3 more swift shots to the targets = .60 secs (but my splits and transitions usually suck, not able to do it in .60) Total 2.5 secs minimum. 4 shots from standing in the corner: 2.1 secs from 1st to last shot (.7 splits). If the situation you're describing was the last shooting position in the stage, I'd shoot from the corner. If this is not the case, i'd probably run down the barricade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhino Posted January 19, 2004 Share Posted January 19, 2004 If it's more than a couple of steps or a shuffle, I'd definitely stay put and take the shots (and I usually do!). If it's 11 yards, I wouldn't even hesitate to take the shots from where I was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Larry Cazes Posted January 19, 2004 Share Posted January 19, 2004 In the situation you've described with ONLY head shots available from 12 yards, I would generally sprint up to the array and shoot the first one or two shots on the move if possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
short_round Posted January 19, 2004 Author Share Posted January 19, 2004 It would likely depend on what I was doing just before the corner. You had just finished shooting through a low barrel that required everyone to go down on a knee or squat. From the barrel to the corner is about 6 feet. If the situation you're describing was the last shooting position in the stage This was the last shooting position of the stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skywalker Posted January 19, 2004 Share Posted January 19, 2004 This was the last shooting position of the stage. Math stands, at least for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted January 19, 2004 Share Posted January 19, 2004 I'm with skywalker...do the math. Figure out how many points you can get from standing back and shooting heads vs. how many points you get from shooting another way (running up or shooting while moving up). Then figure the time difference and do the match. But...to throw a wrinkle into this... I might just as well have shot the last array from the corner...before...going to the low port. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErikW Posted January 19, 2004 Share Posted January 19, 2004 The difference in times between me (kept running up, took one target while slowing and one while stopped, dropped a C) and ong45 (stopped around the corner, dropped 3 or 4 Bs?) was a second. But I think he was faster elsewhere on the stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
short_round Posted January 19, 2004 Author Share Posted January 19, 2004 I might just as well have shot the last array from the corner...before...going to the low port. I think I can hear angels singing in the background as I read this quote. If you are going to shoot from the corner anyway running it like this would save the time and effort from having to get back up while the clock is running (obviously). Thanks Flexmoney! I hadn't considered that and this is exactly the kind of insight I was looking for. More comments welcome. I'm off to post something on "What I Like - this forum and the people in it" now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shred Posted January 19, 2004 Share Posted January 19, 2004 There is a classic video of a nationals stage waaaayy back when (maybe BE remembers it ) anyway, the stage was a wall on the 180 with some stuff on the right, some stuff on the left and a very low port in the middle. Bunch of good shooters come through, shoot right, get down for the middle, get up and shoot the left. Chip McCormick (I think it was Chip) shoots right, goes all the way left, comes back, drops prone and shoots the middle... beats everybody else by many seconds. Getting up is slow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ankeny Posted January 19, 2004 Share Posted January 19, 2004 Unfortunately, doing the math doesn't always work. I would need to see the exact layout and the shots. Head shots at 12 yards with a lot of white can slow the second shot and the transition down a lot more than people think. Add to that the time required to obtain the first shot... Anyhow, from what you describe, I would take the head shots. We had a stage in Jackson, WY last summer that had us running up to a port and shooting, then going to another port, then opening a door. I got cute with my open blaster and shot the first array as I slowly moved by the first port, then I shot through the second port from afar from a sweetspot, and finished by opening the door. I lost that stage to several shooters who are several classes below me. My math sucked. It would have been much faster to charge up close and go into hose mode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loves2Shoot Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 When in doubt of doing something "tricky" run up and hose it, the crash factor is much lower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rishii Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 I have to agree with L2S. givin the chose of slow deliberate shots or a short movement and hosing, hosing usually works better for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tightloop Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 You are almost always better off doing what you like to do and are more comfortable with, either hosing or standing and shooting, comfort factor is the deciding factor for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 Wow..great thread. (good posts L2S & TL). Just goes to show...there are LOTS of different ways to attack a problem in our game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErikW Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 You know what I just realized? I know my splits and transition times at various distances, and I can estimate a speed shoot or standard string to the half-second, sometimes field courses within a second, but I don't have any idea how much time it takes me to run any distance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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