00bullitt Posted February 17, 2010 Share Posted February 17, 2010 Link to the story in the Nashville Post Never a good thing when the ATF gets involved Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chills1994 Posted February 17, 2010 Share Posted February 17, 2010 Say what? I hear that Cav Arms is folding....going out of business because of the ATF raid and corresponding expensive legal battle. Now....this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corey Posted February 17, 2010 Share Posted February 17, 2010 i saw that on M4Carbine today....wonder whats going on?!!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GentlemanJim Posted February 17, 2010 Share Posted February 17, 2010 Do a search on the CEO...That may clear it up Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolex Posted February 17, 2010 Share Posted February 17, 2010 Can't find any thing on him- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gose Posted February 17, 2010 Share Posted February 17, 2010 Say what? I hear that Cav Arms is folding....going out of business because of the ATF raid and corresponding expensive legal battle. Now....this? Not folding, just giving up their FFL. Hope Sabre can pull out of this in better shape than Cavarms though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyinBlue Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 I have no info on what has happened but I did find these with a little help from google... Link to story in the UK and this one... and another one... and yet another one... Sabre Defence is mentioned here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefan Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 All of those related articles were from Aug. of 2008. I really don't think they have anything to do with what happened today. I did notice that Jim Cavanaugh's name came up again. Anybody else recognize that name? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CavalryArms Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 I hear that Cav Arms is folding....going out of business because of the ATF raid and corresponding expensive legal battle. No... see our press release: http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=101212 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chills1994 Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 Okay, thanks and pardon me for...um..."paraphrasing" what I skimmed in an email that was sent to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
00bullitt Posted February 18, 2010 Author Share Posted February 18, 2010 Uncovered a little more info here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidwiz Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 Sabre press release: NASHVILLE, Tenn., February 17, 2010 – Sabre Defence Industries LLC, an established manufacturer of firearms and weapon systems to the United States military, state and local law enforcement, and worldwide commercial markets, is fully cooperating with federal agents in an ongoing investigation into potential criminal misuse of certain non-saleable firearms produced by Sabre and purchased by some its employees. Sabre has received information that employee(s) involved in inventory control may have obtained and re-sold some items without appropriate licenses. Sabre is and has been cooperating with federal agents in this investigation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwfuhrman Posted February 20, 2010 Share Posted February 20, 2010 basically sounds like thecompany itself isnt in trouble but some of its employees have been "skirting" the rules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Sweeney Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 My contact in Sabre told me the following: The ATF simply searched people and cars as they left, then locked the doors and did a complete top-to-bottom inventory. Took nothing, and are now working on the case. Sabre was open again 36 hours later. My take: someone was stealing from the company, and what they were stealing was something within the purview of the ATF. There will be trouble for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
00bullitt Posted February 22, 2010 Author Share Posted February 22, 2010 Thanks for posting that. Nothing good ever seems to come from the ATF getting involved. Hopefully it will be no worse for Sabre than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidwiz Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 My take: someone was stealing from the company, and what they were stealing was something within the purview of the ATF. There will be trouble for them. The one article I read said the same thing, that the ATF thinks that some employees were selling guns out the back door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gm iprod Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 The guy / gal that does that is as stupid as they come. The bad thing is that Sabre get hammered in the public arena, sales / contracts go south, honest reliable employees are put out of work. Worst of all, some poor grunt in the trench misses out on the right gear and goes home in a box. Stupid, stupid, stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
00bullitt Posted February 26, 2010 Author Share Posted February 26, 2010 After reading the complaint that was served to CavArms, I'm a little hesitant to think that the ATF didn't raid Sabre Defense without good authority. The complaint served upon CavArms all but crucified them with the allegations brought forth for forfeiture of property. 8 counts were listed and all quite severe violations. CavArms did not look good in the complaint by any means. Sabre Defence was named in the 33 page 236 paragraph complaint as well. That could have been the start of the investigation into them which lead up to the raid last Monday. I'm real interested to see the filed complaint that they were served with. Granted I'm just a layperson, maybe a good lawyer on here can shead some more light on the CavArms complaint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carmoney Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 I would hope that we wouldn't jump to any conclusions based on what appears in the complaint. Now I don't do criminal defense work, but I am a civil trial attorney, and I will assure you that complaints are often full of exaggeration, hyperbole, and sometimes outright falsehoods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlin Orr Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 (edited) All I have is an opinion based on what I "think". Better left unsaid as it has no real merit.... Edited February 26, 2010 by Merlin Orr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
00bullitt Posted February 26, 2010 Author Share Posted February 26, 2010 I'd really like to believe this complaint is BS, but damn....it appears pretty solid. But like I said...I am just a layperson. A good lawyer can read into these better than me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
00bullitt Posted February 26, 2010 Author Share Posted February 26, 2010 I have a copy of the complaint if you want to email me at my screen name at gmail dot com for a copy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve J Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 Do a search on the CEO...That may clear it up Jim Nope. At least not on Google. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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