IPSC Supercop

kellyn, One last question from me and then I'll stop, promise. But this is the price you pay for being a national contender in 3 gun, kellyn, and we all appreciate it. What would you pick between the Cmore Scout sight with a 4 MOA dot and the new compact Holosight w/ a 1 MOA dot? Thanks,

Yeah, yeah, I know this is the Glock forum, but I didn't know where else to put this and the Walther P99's closely resemble the Glocks. Our PD just switched to these I was selected as one of the primary instructors for this transition. I got the gun about 3 weeks ago and put 400 rounds through it while dirtying and shitting it up, with dirty mags and all, and it never malfunctioned, not once. The triggers are kind of long, but smooth and not bad. It was very reliable and pretty accurate for a production gun. I am a Walther armorer and know all the mechanics and functions of the gun. What I wanted to ask is, does anyone else have one of these or have any amount of time behind one where they can give me an idea on longevity, abuse, reliability and what they think of them?

I remember taking Todd Jarrett's class several years ago and two of the guys in the class were shooting Glocks. First thing Todd told them was to put as much weight as they possibly could into the frame of the Glock to try and control it better. It also kind of re-emphasizes what Brian said about weight in the frame and Grams Engineering magwells. I have one on my STI and I gotta say, "Thank you Brian", it has never shot this well and handled so nice. When Grams comes out with his Glock magwell, it should be a hot seller.

Basically, I tried what Brian did. Not on his recomendation, but a couple of years ago. When I began to dry fire a lot or have longer practice sessions over 4 months time or longer, I would start getting tendinitis and have the pain everyone is experiencing. I got it in my weak elbow (left) and casually asked the Dr when I was there for a physical. He gave me a sheet with several exercises on it that gave directions and showed diagrams of the exercises. This sheet was made by a sports clinic and was designed by a sports medicine doctor specifically for tendinitis in the elbows. It says that increasing the strength and muscle in your forearm, bicep, tricep, elbow area will pretty much eliminate the problem. Now, when I dry fire or practice, I use the tennis elbow "arm band" or "wrap". When I shoot the matches, I don't use anything, but then it feels perfect with no pain because I have used the "arm band" for everything else to keep the tendinitis away and only shooting matches once a week doesn't bother it, but dry firing or practicing once a day did. If anyone is interested in the exercises, I'll try and describe them.

AikidoGirl, You'll love the Cmore and will never regret it. The Holosight is also nice, either one you'll love and won't regret it. I give the edge to the Cmore slightly. Pat, CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!! I saw you on the cover page for the article on the Area 1 in Front Sight. Good deal. Flexmoney, I agree that its good for new shooters to start with iron sights, but I also feel it is good for them to switch rather quickly to shooting a dot because it really makes them realize how important trigger control, recoil control and how the gun recoils while watching the dot. It is harder for new shooters to see and realize that shooting irons. It helped me a lot and made me a better Limited shooter by shooting Open.

Singlestack, You don't have to swear he was shooting before it hit the ground BECAUSE HE WAS shooting before it hit the ground. He performed drills in front of me when I took his class that almost made me shit myself. He routinely would be firing another shot before the ejected mag was on the ground. Pat, Your right about the mag change times. As of 98' when I took Todd's class, he said the fastest mag change he had done to date during live fire was .68. He also said he had perfomed a drill of hands at sides starting position. Draw, fire 1 shot, mag change, fire 1 shot. Todd did it in 1.34 seconds!! Ron, I think my mag changes run around 1.10-1.20 in matches and in practice when I'm shooting WFO (Wide f*#king Open) I can get to .9- 1.0 second.

Brian or anyone else, I have heard of the EGW resizing die that George Smith makes. I've heard it resizes better than the Dillon and other dies in that it sizes all the way down and sizes them a little smaller than the Dillon and other dies. It takes all the bulge out of the bottom of the case by the extractor groove and makes almost all the brass drop check like new. Anyone have experience with it? I think I'm going to try it.

John and Brian, I had the same experience. I finally told myself that if it wasn't fun, I needed to step away and come back when I had the desire and need for fun again. I have enough work to do with my occupation, wife, kids, house, etc. I don't need more work, I need some fun. When I came back, a little brushing up with dry firing and I was shooting better than ever. You have to enjoy it. I know everyone thinks and dreams of being a sponsored pro shooter and I do to. But it is nice to walk away or not go to a match if my mind is not there and not have any consequences from sponsors, especially if they pay for it. Kevin/IPSC Supercop

Yeah Scooter, That SVI Modified gun is something else. Pure genius if you ask me, but then again, everyone says I don't get out enough and the only getting out I do is at an IPSC match. I see what Patrick is saying, but this is one of the reasons I wouldn't mind them just making Limited Divison a 10 round limit anyway. Kevin/IPSC Supercop

Brian, Do you really think shooting the 6" gun was that impressive and gave that much of an advantage? What was so special about it if you don't mind me asking? This is a difficult subject because I see everyone's point. Like buying another gun just cause it doesn't fit the box anymore, but also, how much is enough, where do we stop it 7", 8"? Also, I think they should have called the new Division "Single Stack" and not Limited 10. Limited 10 sometimes kind of confuses people, where Single Stack would give them their own little niche instead of kind of riding on Limited Divisions back. Kevin/IPSC Supercop

Chriss, Flexmoney, Kellyn, Patrick Sweeney, I wanted to thank all of you for your time and help. Also for the laughs about shackling him and taking it away from himself before he hurts somebody. I laughed so hard I almost urinated on myself. I will look at the gun personally and see what is going on, but I do have the rules straight thanks to you guys. Again, thanks a million for the answers. Thats why I love this place, so much help and assistance from REAL SHOOTERS who actually know what they are talking about. Kevin/IPSC Supercop

Flexmoney, I'm not sure I understand. He wants to shoot the rifled slugs for hunting or otherwise, but he has a smoothbore standard shotgun barrel (12 gauge). Does he need to have a rifled shotgun barrel to shoot the slugs? or at least shoot them accurately? Kevin/IPSC Supercop

Kellyn or anyone else, I'm not very knowledgable about shotguns and a friend asked me a question. He has a 12gauge shotgun that is a normal shotgun barrel, a smoothbore. He has rifled shotgun slugs he would like to use for hunting. He asked me if he needed a rifled shotgun bore to shoot the rifled shotgun slugs. I told him I wasn't sure, but I thought he probably would knowing the slugs are rifled, he would probably need a rifled bore. Again, I was just assuming, but told him I would ask and find out. Anyone know for sure? Kevin/IPSC Supercop

True, But you also have to remember that they might not have made GM with that gun. They might have shot a 1911 or something else to make GM, and then switched to something else afterward. After you hit GM, since this is the highest there is, some want a change and try something else because they've gone as high as you're gonna get classification wise. Bruce Gray is a GM and did so with a 1911, then switched to a HK Expert 40 for a change and sponsorship, but he didn't make GM with the HK Expert. Kevin/IPSC Supercop

Rich, I agree whole heartedly, but I think part of this is due to the grandbagger. Also, I would like to see them start taking your percentage, either for the entire major match or a hidden classifier stage at a major match, and making that your percentage and if you are shooting it higher than your current percentage or class, then you are moved up. I just don't get it. Are there really that many prizes and that much money available throughout the year to make from major matches? Nothing against USPSA or the sponsors, God knows I love them and we wouldn't have anything if it weren't for them (THANK YOU GUYS), but there is not that much out there to sandbag for, how much can you possibly be making? This is why I would like to see them start a system like I described. You would win money and/or prizes ONCE at a big match before they caught up to you and moved you up. Not only that, I don't think the sandbaggers are really that good at being able to know your time while you are shooting and know exactly how many points they have and add them up while they are shooting at the same time. The problem with sandbaggers is that when they plan to throw a stage to keep their classification, they trash it good to make sure, and they are already doing this now, so I don't think publishing the HHF is going to hurt. Kevin/IPSC Supercop

Your right Erik, try to speed everything else up. Try to speed up and cut times on your draws, indexing, target to target transitions, movement from box to box, and mag changes, but don't try to speed up the splits because it cost you points. Your points will drop if you shoot faster and your scores will also drop. Speed up everything else besides the shooting. Kevin/IPSC Supercop

Yeah bonedaddy, I know what you are talking about when you talk about dread. I used to use the Safariland 011 holster and I loved it. However, and I don't think I realized this until I tried another holster, it scared the hell out of me because if you bumped it with anything, your elbow, forearm or just the wrong part of your hand, it would bobble and fall out. I was terrified of getting DQ's at a match and I subconsciously slowed my draws down to make sure I got the perfect grip and didn't try to go WARP speed because of dreading the gun would fall out. Therefore, I was holding myself back out of fear and dread. I tried the new redesigned Limcat holster and automatically, I felt comfortable speeding up. The more I used it, the faster I went and more safe and secure I felt, which made me want to go even faster. I don't mind going WARP speed now. Last week at the range, a target at 7 yards, hands at sides draw. I shot 1 shot, mag change and 1 shot in 1.75 seconds with 2 A's. My draw was .75 and the mag change was 1.00 even. I was pretty happy. The Limcat holster holds it much more secure I think and it makes me feel safer about going WARP speed. Kevin/IPSC Supercop

Dennis, I also was a bit weary, but sent the $20 or $27 or whatever it was to them and in less than a week, I had my set. I love them, even better than the smaller ones in Matt Burkett's book. I think it is a 4:1 ratio in yards. You measure out 1 yard from the targets and the targets appear like they would at 4 yards. Measure out 4 yards and they appear to be 16 yards. Kevin/IPSC Supercop

Duane, Forgot to add, when I took a class with Todd Jarrett, he explained to us that the recoil spring should be fitted to the gun. He said that when the coils finally touch and bind on each other and the spring can't compress anymore, but the gun is still recoiling because it has not traveled far enough, that extra energy has to and is going to go somewhere. It will go into the gun and parts themselves, quickly battering and wearing them out. Recoil springs must be fitted to the gun. ISMI has the instructions for fitting them on their insert in the package when you buy a recoil spring from them. Kevin/IPSC Supercop

Duane, I think there is a range of spring weights you can use, but it depends on how you want your gun to feel in recoil and then again, it has to make the gun function and also not beat it to death. I use an 11lb ISMI recoil spring with my STI 40 with 1 shok buff. However, I shot my Para P13.45 for 130 rounds. It has a standard guide rod, 14lb spring, with 1 shok buff. I shot 130 factory 45 rounds. When I checked the gun after 130 rounds, the shok buff was smashed, split in two pieces and absolutely destroyed. I could not have done that much damage to a shok buff with my dremel tool!! I was amazed at the damage. I immediately put in an 18lb spring and will have to function check to make sure it works with a heavier spring. I didn't realize the 45 was that much more than the 40. Kevin/IPSC Supercop

I agree with making it simple and easy. I would shoot it L to R, reload and L to R, reload, and L to R. First, I don't see any advantage to changing the transition order and changing up. Second, when you mag change, the gun should be coming back to your body when your strong arm gets bent for the mag change, so you should be back at your starting point (ground zero), so it shouldn't make a difference time wise which way to go because you are starting from the beginning. You shouldn't be reloading with your arms extended out on target anyway. I don't think so, but should we Brian? Lastly, since you are already in a rythym of target transitions from L to R, why change it. Just keep it the same and go with the rythym, let your mind be thinking of other things and focus on the things that are more important. Kevin/IPSC Supercop

Brian or anyone else, I already posted how I tried the standard tungsten guide rod with two shok buffs (.90 + .125= .215 total). I shot it this way for 200 rounds and it ran fine. I shot a match on Sunday and shot another 114 rounds and it gave me problems and jams 5 times total, 4 in one stage. The jams were very slight. As I shot, the slide would cycle back and upon returning, it would strip the top round and the round would stop at the bottom of the feed ramp. Now, the round wasn't pinned at the bottom, if you touched the slide at all (I tapped the back a few times, grabbed the front serrations a couple other times and didn't hardly touch it the last time, just moved the gun back to clear it and it went into battery) it would go back into battery. The mag springs are ISMI and only 3 months old. I have used the ISMI mag springs for 3 years with zero problems. I'm using a STI tungsten rod, 11lb spring, and .215 of shok buffs. I put the Sprinco rod back in with a 10lb spring the last stage and it ran perfect. Any solutions? My rounds are .40 S&W, 200gr jacketed, 4.2grs VV N320, loaded to 1.160 OAL. Kevin/IPSC Supercop

Brian, I forgot to ask, do you (ideally) want to short cycle the slide? I remember what you said about the recoil and having less mass coming back and forward on the top end (in the slide) and a heavier bottom taming recoil better. Again, short cycling the slide might cause less mass recoiling back and forward and help, I think. Thanx Kevin (sorry to keep you so busy, but this is a dreamshot. I mean as "Good As It Gets". How many times do you get to ask the Master, One of the IPSC forefathers how he works it.

Brian, If you don't mind my asking, what is the basic setup on your 40 Limited gun. Recoil spring weight, how many shok buffs and how thick is each, what barrel in your SV (I am assuming the frame and slide are SV), sights (still Wilson's), extractor, ejector (extended or no), bull or bushing barrel, what lb mainspring, trigger and trigger insert (Enos insert?), hammer and sear brand, and long wide ext. dustcover and full profile slide or just standard (scalloped slide and frame ,dustcover)? I know this is a lot and I remember what you said about every 40 you have is different, but how about it. Thanks so much Brian. Kevin

Scooter, I have been shooting an 11lb spring in my STI Edge 40 for 4 years. When I took Todd's class in 97', I was shooting a 14-16lb spring and Todd told us he was shooting an 11lb spring. He also recommended we try it. He told us that the heavier springs made the guns look and feel like they were flipping more than the lighter springs because the extra flip was from the extra force of the gun coming back into battery, not the slide coming back with extra muzzle flip. I tried the 11lb spring and have never looked back (just made Limited Master class with a 100% classifier, finally). I guess Todd has changed to an even ligher spring. When I tried the 10lb spring over the 11lb, the gun felt like it wasn't returning to the same place and it was returning a little "high", if you know what I mean. The front sight looked like it wasn't returning and staying a little higher than the rear notch and sight where the 11lb spring seemed to return almost right to the rear sight everytime, even on rapid fire. It sounds funny, but you have to experience it to see what I mean. That is kind of hard to describe, but Brian, does that make any sense? Kevin