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Alright, I have the Saiga and some mags, now point me in the direction for the mods. Thanks.

Wow, I think I'm going for the Saiga-12.

I thought or rather hoped the same thing. Still cool though in a different sort of way.

+1 there. I get local RO's all in a hurry to call the range clear before I have the lock on and feel the gun is secure. Don't hurry that part, hurry the shooters that are not pasting.

Thanks,it does help some. I can get a new Saiga for just under $600 and the M1 is about 1K. I still can't decide though.

OK, I decided I need an open shotgun even though I'll only shoot a handful of 3gun/multigun matches a year. Should I go the Siaga 12 route or a Benelli M1 s90? I have a chance to get either right now. The Siaga is plain stock and the M1 has the ported barrel and chokes with it. Which would make the best platform for an open SG? Thanks. Edited to add What would I need to add to each?

I found the same thing to be true, only I didn't have to tweak my ejector on the .40 I used it on. The only problem I had was finding a frame it would fit on. It would not fit on any of my custom guns, I had to resort to putting it on my Tactical frame. As long as I don't feed it light ammo it runs great.

That's not really the point. They are saying you are allowed to remove an internal safety in one gun and not allowed to on another and claiming it is for safety. If it is truely for safety then all divisions should be safe. Why make a shooter have to switch guns?

Do you have the owners manual? If not send me you e-mail addy and I can scan mine and send it to you. PM sent. Thanks

They are tossing around the idea for me also. Only they still want us to work those 6 unpaid days.

I need help getting an abused one I have back up and running. Pictures of how it goes together and maybe info on if he will take it and make it work again.

I don't mean to get anything closed, just point out the direction it could be leading to.

A Glock can have too much of the travel taken out by using those set screws that keeps the trigger bar pushing in on that plunger the whole time. When that happens you have deactivated the firing pin/drop safety. Pick any 10 ro's from your club and any 10 production division guns and do a test. See if all 10 Ro's can identify all safeties on all 10 guns. If they can not I think we have a problem enforcing the rule. Even if they happen to pass that test, there are way more than 10 production division guns. Maybe production needs to have a stage gun. If your club has 5 stages you need 10 certified PD guns that are all the same (2 per stage). The shooter walks up and LAMR with that gun and go. The second one is the back up.

While another thread is a good idea for the other divisions, it is a valid point here. In less than 30 days these new rules go into effect as I understand it. It's easy to lock the slide back on a cz and check for a FPB, but how many non or even regular Glock shooters know how to check the drop safety on their guns? I didn't until I searched. One of my old Glocks had been adjusted to where the drop safety was not working. I think we have added another hard to check rule unintentionally.

I agree 1000% a shooting buddy here that we all thought was high enough up the food chain to avoid a lay off had his whole crew laid off out of the blue.

I'm still not buying. A mag disconnect saftey will keep a shooter from AD'ing during a reload. Since you can not pull the trigger with the mag out. Same saftey issue to me, just at a different point in the COF. We use other parts of the rule book to come to an over all picture of the sport. So, to outlaw modifying a safety in one section (an internal safety at that) by claiming it is for safety and then allow an internal safety modification in another division shouldn't fly. Don't you think?

I don't know, if the design is so inherently unsafe, why do they make the CZ85 without it? Do you really think that there is less of a lawsuit if someone ad's into someone else with a dropped gun that has the grip safety dissabled?

I thought the LAMR was a controlled situation all the time, not just when you have a FPB? When else would you have a loaded gun on a stage? Are they not both controlled? I thought a worn or improperly fit part would be like any other gun at the match. You either make it safe, get your back up or you are finished. Why make it any different for production then for the other divisions?

Well if there is another way to get there please let me know. At the LAMR there is no other way to get the hammer all the way down other than bypassing the FPB. Why is this not considered unsafe? I mean we are defeating the purpose of the block right?

Whoa just a minute there. If we can not remove it(the FPB) why does USPSA make us bypass it at the LAMR? To do so safely, you hold the hammer, pull the trigger, let go of the trigger and lower the hammer to the half cock. That way if the hammer slips it will rest on the FPB. If USPSA were concerened about the safety they would not make you hold the trigger all the way back bypassing the FPB just to get the hammer fully down. Right?

Jayson, For your safety I would not reload that stuff! Just set it in you garage and when I come up for the VA/MD match I'll dispose of it for you. I'm thinking only of your safety and you family's piece of mind you know.

OK, thanks now it makes more sense.

One shot L10 and the other production. I shot Open. It shouldn't matter if the match counts as a slot match should it? Unless you shot revo and there were only like 3 people.

I just wish it was clear how they select the people. Two buddies got calls for winning their class at the VA/MD match. Well I did too. WTH?

misread the question.