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Wow, the Atlanta area and parts of Tennesse are floating towards Florida right now. I think it was 9 dead so far as of this morning.

I honestly think that with rear falling poppers you take care of 99.99% of any problems by doing the knuckle rap on the popper when you set it. My knuckle tap chronoed at a 110 PF and has never let me down. The only time I have seen a problem is when the reset crew is in too big of a hurry and does not check poppers when they stand them up.

I'm for anywhere if they would only make it a different time of year. What was wrong with Montana in June like it was a few years ago? I kind of like the idea of the two nationals being held in different areas.

ha ha ha, I looked for the ROTFLMAO icon, but Icould not find it. Hey we can call you at 5AM to tell you about set up.

Good Job!

Source? That is what I have read on here.

I have some of his STI mags that have been great. I think Grams only does SPS tubes now. I would go here Freedom Gun Worksand get some of Bobby's mags. I have a set of 4 of them and they run great.

Way to go Mario!! Just in time for the sectional.

Good job.

I agree also, but I would like to see the date moved to June/July when I have vacation time coming. That is just me though.

I shoot my open gun like an A class shooter, but I can not get the transition from strong hand to support hand down no matter how much I practice. When I pick up my limited gun and shoot it just feels faster now for some reason. I guess I need it to feel even faster now.

I shot my new Cheely STI sight tracker in a special classifier match and thanks to an 87% run on 99-28 I'm now in the even bigger tank of sharks. When I figured out my percents, I thought I had missed it by a couple of hundreths. Turns out I sqeaked in by 1.5% after all. Now I really have to get to work. I don't have any illusions of the locals not using the term sandbagger though. Shooting open really has helped my limited game.

Not in 357 sig, but I did have a 10mm barrel fit to mine and it is wicked bad. 22 rounds of full power 10mm at hand for a house gun I'm not sure about 357, but for the 10mm I was advised to put in a heavier recoil spring and mainspring. I had thought about the recoil spring, but I over looked the mainspring until a gunsmith pointed it it out.

Nemo, I didn't leave because I was mad about the call. If you recall it did not effect my score or run at all. I left for a combination of reasons that just happen to have the MD's call on this stage (which was not based on a rule, but rather on what he saw at nationals) included in those reasons. Any time one of my stages does not follow the rule book I work to fix it. This stage could and I sure did affect the outcome of the match. You could have shot the two plates at the 11 and 1 position and then shot the 6 o clock plate and never have had the other two plates give one exposure. That is REF, since the rule book doesn't say 25% has to be showing and there is no calibration zone on a plate the stage did not operate as desired. Maybe this can be something that gets included in a future rulebook. I decided months ago that I would not shoot a match or continue once the fun factor was gone. Saturday with the work I had waiting at home and the combination of events that morning killed the fun factor, so I left. Nothing more, nothing less. I never mentioned what match either, I was just looking for a rule clarification.

Theres no rule on how much of any steel plate must be presented in order to not be called a disappearing target. A good question and answer did come about with one shooter. IF you have to leave the upper A in its entirity, it would be a good start as to how much of a piece of steel would need to be left in order for some one to engage and maybe hit. I say this as far as a future rules ammendment. This would be a good place to start and or possibley add that falling plates are not allowed a level II or III matches for obvious reason as we learned this past nationals. Discussions went further on with this same shooter, the reply was something like "Im shooting a production gun, im lucky if I get a 4" group out of this!" Well I agree with the generalization of what was being asked of shooters. H! WE had a rather large thread on how much steel should be visible. I think I emailed John on this one and he said 25% of the calibration area must remain visible. I know I know, it's not in the book................ You are right that Amidon may have said that, but I wonder how much he really thought about it? Let's look at the targets, a metric target has to have 25% OR the entire upper A/B showing. That measures out to about a 6in by 6 in plate. That happens to be the smallest square plate allowed. That means you could have a 3 in by 3 in plate showing. I'm thinking that the whole reason for having minimum sizes for the steel is so we do not have a teeny tiny scrap of steel out there for a target. If it is spelled out what the minimum size for a piece of paper is( 25 % or the entire upper A/B zone) I would think that they want you to have the whole calibration zone showing( remember we do not calibrate plates, so there is no calibration zone). If you have a popper with only 25% showing, how can you accurately calibrate it?

The stage I'm talking about was from the nationals, but it was recreated for a local match. I have been told by many that reshoots were issued for the plates stopping behind the hardcover. Somene wanted to call the plates dissapearing, but that does not work either. Everyone would get 2 dissapearing plates, so a reshoot would be required from everyone that had already shot. I really hate being told that it is only a level 1 match so who cares? Well, I do. I expect my level 1 matches to prepare me for level 2 and above matches. If you don't want to follow the USPSA rules, then don't advertise your match as a USPSA event. I can then decide if I want to go or not. If I go I know ahead of time I can not argue rules because they don't exist. BUT if you advertise a USPSA match let's use that book for something other than leveling out your dinning room table.

Is there a rule other than REF that can be cited for this? Like how much of a plate/popper/whatever must be showing. If the star was like most stars it would be fine, but there are some brands that are so slow you can shoot the top two and the bottom and the thing just sits there. At the match in question it was ruled tough for you( the shooter) 2 mikes. along with the time you waited to see if it would move, then finish with the last shooting position.

That's my take on it also, but we had a lively discussion about this today.

OK, so 4.1 list the type of targets that can be used and 4.1.4 Targets used in a course of fire may be partially or wholly hidden through the use of hard or soft cover: 4.1.4.1 Cover provided to hide all or a portion of a target will be considered hard cover. When possible hard cover should not be simulated but constructed using impenetrable materials (see Rule 2.1.3). Whole paper targets must not be used solely as hard cover. Then appendix B defines the target presentation. Paper targets must have 25% of the “A” zone showing or the entire upper A/B zone, but no mention of how much of a steel target has to show. So my question is how much of a plate must be showing? All? 25%? Lets say that a Texas star has 2 hardcover poppers to block the left and right plate, giving you two top plates and the bottom plate at rest. The left plate has nothing exposed and the right plate has a sliver showing. Then lets say you shoot the two top plates and the bottom bang, bang, bang, and the star just sits there you are shooting through a port with fault lines defining a shooting area so you cannot move to another shot to see more of the plate. What’s the call? REF, bad stage and throw it out, shooter is out of luck, etc?

someone that has the P/W drive set-up please PM or email me. I have a used one and I can not get it working and I don't have any manuals to go by for help. Thanks.

Nice, I didn't think about both. Even with a hole in the netting, the oranges are the same shade and now I think I will put orange netting behind the steel too.

I'm going to use some orange paint for steel at one of my matches. I'm going to put some of the orange construction net in front of it as soft cover, at what distance do you thing the oranges being lined up will cause your eyes to have to hunt out the steel? Netting closer to the shooter of closer to the steel?

persistent problem? per⋅sist⋅ent  /pərˈsɪstənt, -ˈzɪs-/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [per-sis-tuhnt, -zis-] Show IPA Use persistent in a Sentence See web results for persistent See images of persistent –adjective 1. persisting, esp. in spite of opposition, obstacles, discouragement, etc.; persevering: a most annoyingly persistent young man. 2. lasting or enduring tenaciously: the persistent aroma of verbena; a persistent cough. 3. constantly repeated; continued: persistent noise. 4. Biology. a. continuing or permanent. b. having continuity of phylogenetic characteristics. 5. Botany. remaining attached beyond the usual time, as flowers, flower parts, or leaves. Hardly. There were 426 competitors at the first half of the nationals and only 1 arb(that I know) of for steel. I'm still waiting for the persuasive arguement for changing the rule that is not based on either shooter error ( given the choices in the rule book) or RO/RM error. When/if I were to see that I would be all in for a rule change that would not be a step backwards from what we have. I personally think anything requiring counting the number of hits, or identifying the number of hits on steel is a step in the wrong direction. I also see giving the RO the discretion to stop a shooter as bad mojo for a rule.

Have a good one

In that case, I really don't see why they needed to fix it for the next shooter. If nothing is broken, nothing needs to be fixed, tape up the targets and run the next shooter. The first time this rule went against me, I felt the same way and my blood was boiling. I am now embarassed at the way I reacted. Looking back on it, I call fro a calibration, lost the calibration test and the MD made an adjustment to the popper. I now realize it was to save him another trip back to that stage for another shooter in the next squad. Nothing in the rules prevents the MD from making repairs before the next shooter. Had the shooter in question just finished and called for a calibration this discussion would not even be here. I'm sure that a popper with 8 rounds to fall would have not fallen with 1 calibration shot, but we will never know the answer to that. The last local match I shot had a Texas star that was in bad shape. Half the squad shot it with no problems, then all 5 plates fell with one hit. We had to stop and fix the equipment. It was broken for everyone, but finally gave the ship for one guy. It was REF for that shooter, not the 5 before him that shot with it broken. The same is true here. Was it broken? Yes. Was it broken to the point it would not fall? apparently not. The rules allow an RO to stop a shooter for safety and REF. Until a calibration shot happens I don't know if it is REF or not. It sure is not a safety infraction.