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I remain unconvinced that having to make the first shot via DA vs. SA (or "getting to use SA vs. DA") will result in significantly different stage scores.

I think a lot of folks are just confused as to why this required another division.

Yes, without a comp. I know that doesn't absorb it all, but I'm not suggesting 9 major on a 9 lb spring. 9mm minor is about 130PF, 9mm "duty" 147gr is about 150PF, 9mm major is about 170PF. Most of the 9 major folks are running 7-9 lb springs with no significant differences in wear, but they're running guns made for 9 major. If we're talking about major PF, there's no real difference in 9mm vs. 40 at the same PF in terms of recoil impulse. The bigger difference is 9 major is often loaded longer than the OAL for 9 minor, requiring a chamber reamed for 9 major... just for safety. I have no idea if 2011 manufacturers are reaming deeper (or not) to indicate support/lack of support. Some people want the additional recoil impulse for the higher scoring bands major offers. It's why we don't see a lot of open minor, but to your point I've never seen a 9 major open gun without a comp.

Serious question: Will 2011's and 2011 variants not handle 9 major?

We'll see, and they have a lifetime warranty.

I run the EGW magwell for the Prodigy on mine. Had to sand the tops/corners of the promags a bit but otherwise it's just fine.

Carry Optics is already all-minor. I agree they should have just opened up the CO rules.

That would be interesting. Might see the first ever Staccato .40cal 2011.

Unsure. I need to go watch a video on the difference in geometry, etc. Just wondering if this spring would have a similar lightening effect as it does on the OEM Gen 5 triggers: https://wheatonarms.com/product/extra-power-trigger-return-spring-fits-glock-models-gen-5/ Update: doesn't look like the spring is easily accessible (start at 11:41 here):

Anyone seen an exploded parts diagram for these? Can you still do the Gen 5 trigger return spring replacement for an even lighter feel?

You do realize they're two completely different sports with completely different approaches, right?

Which matters to USPSA shooters how?

I built this gun specifically for Limited Optics, so I spec'ed it out for full rail, etc. to put weight in the front, add the magwell, direct optics cut, etc. They've been VERY good at communicating and updating their offering. Going from one mag included to two, etc. Rails are polished - doesn't appear they were ever part of the coating. Talking to them, they are hand fitting each individually. There's zero slop. Delivery timelines stretching are a problem for them now - I think the coating time and customization took them off guard. What do you consider more durable than E-series Cerakote? Something like DLC?

The text from my reddit post: My Platypus came in to my FFL and I picked it up today. I’m attaching quite a few pictures for folks that are curious, as well as a little information on holsters. Initial thoughts are below - mostly great, a few small (very, very small) misses and things that could catch a new owner off guard. It's modeled after Galvatron, my favorite Transformer. My ordered configuration trident slide w/DPP optics cut square trigger guard, 2.25-2.5 lb flat trigger (before 2.5 was an orderable option) threaded barrel magwell three different e-series Cerakote colors (see prior post on e vs h series coatings, e are slightly heavier/more durable, which may play into a few comments below): E-320 (Rebel), E-310 (Fire), and E-160 (Concrete) I’ve added a TLR-1, DPP and NDZ Performance red thread protector to “finish off” the build and intend to use the gun for the new Limited Optics category in USPSA where I’m a B-Class Carry Optics shooter today. I had to call and ask - the Government ships with a 14 lb recoil spring, the Commander ships with a 13 lb recoil spring. I'll definitely be testing down to 9/10 with 150gr syntech and 124gr FMJ. Holsters I have a Safariland 6280 made for a Springfield 1911 w/full rail + TLR-1. The Platypus fit this holster perfectly WITHOUT the DPP. The holster is NOT made for an optic so once I mounted the DPP, it no longer fit. Since this is only for competition use (no duty carry, no retention), I'll be able to Dremel that existing holster. I have a Prodigy 4.25" + TLR-1 and Adam's Gear holster for this combo. It WOULD fit this holster if I didn't have the threaded barrel. The holster, as designed, is tapered at the bottom and not meant for threaded barrel use. Depending on how I like the dremeled Safariland, I may or may not order an Adam's Gear holster made for a full-rail 1911 + TLR-1/threaded barrel/optic. I expect it would fit (and would likely fit any "full rail 1911 + TLR-1 + optic" since they index on the light and the trigger guard shape behind it doesn't matter. Initial thoughts Great/Awesome As soon as I picked it up out of the box to inspect at the FFL: "Wow, this thing is light and slim!” Significantly lighter than my STI DVC/Edge guns, as thin as my favorite 1911’s. Exactly what I wanted in terms of grips/ergonomics. Includes a really nice soft case with their embroidered logo, two Glock OEM 17rd 9mm mags (gen 4?) and the rear sight for use with an optic instead of the iron sights plate. Rear sight came with needed hex wrench to remove the set screw (more on this later). The cerakote work on mine is excellent. I have no issues whatsoever and it absolutely matched my expectations based on the build-a-bear picker. Pistol came well oiled and slightly dirty. I knew from watching videos that they did more than the 1-2 round test fire at the factory and I’m absolutely fine with this. It’s clear it was test fired and not sent out the door hoping it worked - it was sent out proven to work. I appreciate this vs. a pristine pistol someone claims they tested but may or may not have. The slide-to-frame fit is excellent. It’s very clear that it’s hand-fitted (confirmed based on RGG’s new interview with them earlier this week where they said sending “extra” slides wasn’t likely to happen because they’re hand fit vs. “machine tolerances”). The slide moves like it’s buttered, with no grit, burrs or hangup. The optics cut was an exact, perfect fit for the milled slot and the threads on the factory-included screws from Leupold were a perfect fit - no separate screws required. I don’t have a trigger pull gauge but the trigger is appropriately light based on my “make it light” request. It has a little bit of takeup and pulls to a crisp, clean break with a normal-to-1911’s short reset. I can’t detect any real overtravel but there is no overtravel set screw so if I did it wouldn’t be adjustable. This is easily on par with my STI triggers and better than the gunsmith-tuned competition trigger in my single-stack Para. It’s not inconceivable that a USPSA GM would do something like drop in an Atlas trigger with pretravel and overtravel adjustments to tweak things I simply can’t feel yet at my skill level. Things to know Tolerances on the Platypus are tight. Very tight. Especially, I suspect, with e-series Cerakote. I had to wrap a towel around the thread protector AND use pliers to get it to start coming off. It’s almost like it was attached with an impact driver - I could not budge it. Once it came off it re-attached well, no slop, and appropriately tight threads. The barrel bushing was also incredibly tight. Even when turned such that the groove was completely disengaged, it would not slide forward. I had to use the “tap the barrel forward against the bushing like a light hammer” to get it to dislodge (it did NOT, however, require an actual hammer). Putting it back on was just as tight. Note: This is NOT a complaint - it’s just something to note if you’re used to “commercial” 1911’s vs. hand-fit parts. I also expect it to break in a little as I get to put rounds through it. I have big hands so I can reach the mag release just fine. For other folks this might not be the case. This is likely not a part interchangeable with other 1911 parts since the Glock mag geometry is significantly different. A factory option for an extended mag release would be nice but, for me, this works just fine (and avoids me accidentally compression it while firing/moving). The included magazines fit nearly “under” or “inside” the magwell. With the magwell, you’ll want to use base pads, even if only the Glock +2 OEM ones. Shipping OEM +2 base pad mags would be a nice touch, but everyone is going to have personal preferences on mags, base pads, etc., so it’s probably a no-win game for SA to try and please everyone. Coming with two OEM Glock mags in and of itself is awesome and the OEM mags do seat just fine. Misses Did not include an appropriate hex wrench for the two-piece guide rod. I have a hex wrench set and had one, but if you don’t have a hex wrench already that fits you won’t be able to disassemble the upper completely. No o-ring in/on the thread protector. Threads/mating surfaces only, which could allow it to walk if not appropriately tight. I planned to replace it with the red NDZ one anyway, and that one has an o-ring. I also keep a bag of o-rings on the bench and would have put one behind it if I weren’t replacing it. The optics plate removal instructions have a typo, telling you to push in the firing pin to remove the slide stop. That should read push in the firing pin to remove the firing pin stop. The parts diagram is on the opposite page and correctly labels the piece as the firing pin stop. The optics plate removal video QR code links to Stealth Arms channel on Youtube but there is no video about the removal/install process, which is slightly different since it involves a set screw behind the firing pin stop. This isn’t a huge problem The screw for the replacement rear sight when an optic is in use didn’t have any loctite it from SA, unlike most other screws that ship with attachments. This is an incredibly minor nitpick and adding a little vibra-tite on my own is the norm. Open questions I have not yet pulled the guide rod to measure it with calipers and determine if a standard 1911 guide rod is a drop-in replacement. I suspect it is but I can’t yet confirm that.

My Platypus came in... just in time for me to have to take a trip. No rounds downrange yet.

My Platypus came in... just in time for me to have to take a trip. No rounds downrange yet.

Overall, I'm incredibly impressed. It's definitely a hand-fit 1911 vs. one machined with tolerances such that you could swap slides between them, etc. A couple of really small nitpicks likely attributable to being a new manufacturer of full firearms (they sold 80% kits before) - NOTHING wrong with the gun or that detracts from the purchase. Based on this, I'd strongly consider a custom 1911 single-stack from them when/if they start offering that, too. Having a 1911 that takes Glock mags is going to be fun. Full notes and initial thoughts here (no rounds downrange yet, just picked up today):

I have a Prodigy 4.25" I thought about just adding a dot too, but I'd have to buy another dot since none of the "extra" optics I have fit the AOS plate that comes with the Prodigy. I've already got the Platypus on order (pick it up from FFL tomorrow) and have the dot for it, so that'll be what I start out with. I think the hope for LO-Major is likely near zero if it didn't start that way. IMO, this is the "fine, shoot your Staccato without having to be in Open" division since it seems like every Staccato has a dot, magwell and light.

If everyone else does it and you don't switch you might get your first division win in CO.

"Production comp" Compact or subcompact required flashlight required (no olights allowed) 170mm mags required comp required scoring 5/0/0

LO doesn't have the Production Gun list and allows SA/DA guns. For folks wanting to shoot CO but not having a qualifying pistol, LO is it. Shooting a CO gun in LO, though, seems pointless.

80% 1911 maker. They know their stuff and released this at SHOT. If anything, go to their website and play with their customizer. Lots of options... and lots of Cerakote. Video of several folks running one here (with an RMRcc):

I'm going with the Stealth Arms Platypus - a double-stack 1911 using Glock mags. Did all the customizations on their site, went with the DPP milled version (HS and ACRO weren't available yet but are now), tri-topped slide, full length rail, threaded barrel (slightly longer than the non-threaded), square trigger guard, flat trigger and magwell, with my build-a-bear color choices and chainlink on the frontstrap/backstrap. The picture below shows iron sights - on the optics models, that's a plate that comes off for the optic to direct-mount (no plate), along with a rear sight that screws in behind it, all locked in with a set screw. When I ordered, you needed to email them about the trigger, but they'd do a 2.5 lb for competition use. Now that's an option in their picker. Being able to use the Glock mags I already have saves $$$ on mags vs. a 2011 and every video I've found on these shows them just running. All in for $1740. Should hopefully be shipping this week.

Goes into effect in 14 days. Read the ruling here: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cacd.858747/gov.uscourts.cacd.858747.60.0_1.pdf

How, exactly, is intentionally placing a shot into hardcover trying to cheat? Extreme end of this - shooter intentionally shoots one shot into part of a cardboard target painted black and moves on. He takes two mikes to avoid an FTSA. Dumb idea, but is he cheating?