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Second vote for Red Hill Training. Not only does he offer lots of colors but he has some awesome patterns ad well. Just picked up a kryptek patterned holster and mag pouches.

Those and Open. It could be Production legal once they make another 1,999 and submit it to DNROI.

Yeah, that's it. Sorry I didn't see that one before starting this one. I get how explicitly saying no SA only guns can get some twisted around the axel because of guns like the XD. Actually I like IDPA's rule for SSP action type: DA first shot or striker fired.

Fits! http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v483/eerw/Forum%20stuff/LSPProdbox_zps4ae1cfec.jpg

This in 9mm with an ACCU bushing would make a scary good Production gun. $2k?

Interesting http://czcustom.com/cz75sp01tsshadowls40.aspx 9mm to follow?

This ^^^

Not that it matters to the discussion but I am not someone who wandered in off of the street who wants to shoot a SA in Production. I am a NROI CRO and Production Master ( http://uspsa.org/uspsa-classifer-lookup-results.php?Submit=Lookup&number=TY47309 )I am not advocating for SA guns by any stretch. Just trying to verify that the USPSA Production rules got screwed up at some point and it isn't just me overlooking the obvious. As written now the USPSA rules say nothing about the action type in the requirements to submit a gun for inclusion on the Production list. An SA only gun would never be added to that list but I think based on this thread I can confirm that the DA/striker fired requirement for Production is not currently supported by any clear section in the current version of the USPSA rulebook. Well whipty friggin doooo . you are CRO and a Master level shooter!?! And that means what exactly? So, you found a problem with the rule book. Get in line with the rest of us. The approved gun list is part of the rules. Who gives a flying fu#% that it's not addressed elsewhere? Kevin, the only reason that I mentioned my classification and certification was to attempt to communicate that I am not someone who wandered in here off the streets looking to run a single stack in Production. I am doing analysis of USPSA rules for near term project and wanted to ensure I wasn't missing something significant. Yes, there is an approved list and a process to get on that list but that process should be outlined and supported by clearly defined and documented rules. As it stands if I were a new shooter looking at the USPSA rule book I would have no basis to know that single action guns were not allowed save using the process of elimination on the approved Production gun list. That doesn't change anything but it also doesn't mean you have to be a jerk about it.

Not that it matters to the discussion but I am not someone who wandered in off of the street who wants to shoot a SA in Production. I am a NROI CRO and Production Master ( http://uspsa.org/uspsa-classifer-lookup-results.php?Submit=Lookup&number=TY47309 ) I am not advocating for SA guns by any stretch. Just trying to verify that the USPSA Production rules got screwed up at some point and it isn't just me overlooking the obvious. As written now the USPSA rules say nothing about the action type in the requirements to submit a gun for inclusion on the Production list. An SA only gun would never be added to that list but I think based on this thread I can confirm that the DA/striker fired requirement for Production is not currently supported by any clear section in the current version of the USPSA rulebook.

I know it's black and white and I am not specifically arguing that SA should be allowed in Production (although the rules as written don't prohibit it except for the fact that no SA only guns are on the list). I was just making a reference list for USPSA Production and IDPA SSP rules and could not locate any reference restricting USPSA Production to DA/Striker guns only. I know this had been in the rules previously so I am assuming that it has been inadvertently removed. It's kind of like the Production rule that says we can have an internal mag well that measures more than 1/4 inch wider than the mag front to back.

Ordered does not equal completed and available to the general public. "— A handgun may be approved and added to the USPSA Approved Production Handgun List after the NROI Manufacturer’s Declaration form stating that a minimum of 2000 complete handguns have been manufactured and available to the general public has been submitted and NROI has inspected the handgun for compliance." Also, the IDPA requirement is 2k annual production. Not sure how they could have claimed SSP compliant with the first 1k. If they don't make 2k next year then that means that it would not be eligible for SSP in 2016?

Chuck, That's my assumption, that a line got deleted to fix one discrepancy and it inadvertently caused another.

But it's a SIG And it's about 2x the price of this: http://cz-usa.com/product/cz-scorpion-evo-3-s1-pistol/ Yes, but you can't swap out parts on the CZ with AR15 components.

Everyone knows that for USPSA Production division single action only guns are prohibited and the approved guns are either striker fired or double action first shot. Where in the current USPSA rulebook can I find a reference to this? All I can find is a requirement in the Special Considerations section of Appendix D4 that specifies that the if the gun has an external hammer then it must start in the fully decocked position but otherwise see nothing stating that a single action only is ineligible for Production division aside from the requirement that guns be on the approved Production list. IPSC rules are a bit more clear in specifically stating that single action guns are not authorized.

Sounded like an interesting match. What was the thinking behind the length limit for rifle barrels?

I really want to pick up a SIG MPX. Apparently they are compatible with standard AR triggers and the controls otherwise mirror AR. http://www.sigevolution.com/sigmpx

On the checkering front one really nice thing is that the grip frame modules (basically everything that would be considered the frame on a Glock minus the serial number slide and rails) not only replaceable but run about $40 each. I have seen some nice aftermarket stippling jobs and having a cheap part to work on that doesn't have any special requirements for shipping should make it pretty easy to have grips customized. Also, at $40 you can have multiple grips for the same gun with various levels of aggressive stippling, skate tape, or none of the above.

There are a few review. It's surprisingly good. Here is my stock P320 at the range the other day. I was hoping that you get some video documenting what type of muzzle flip I would get with it but unfortunately didn't get the slide in frame. It's very accurate out of the box and the trigger travel is short for a striker fired gun with a short and tactile reset. Trigger pull weight around 6-7 lb. Bruce Gray and a few others are hard at work perfecting trigger and other competition modifications for the P320.

Around $500 for a full sized without night sights.

Kurtm should appreciate this article http://3gunnation.com/news/details/artmid/509/articleid/639412/game-changers

I got some poorly positioned cell phone video from my last session at an indoor range.

Looks like GGI might be working on an alternative guide rod that accepts P226 springs. Definitely a plus as the stock spring is pretty heavy. I cut 3 coils on my stock recoil spring and that seems to help. http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/430601935/m/3990016863

Has anyone tried Lucas Gun Oil? I have heard good things about it but haven't tried it yet.

If cost and the DA/SA are holding you back from using a SIG in competition you can consider a SIG P320 which is their new striker fired gun. I picked one up a month ago for just over $500 and am really liking it so far. I expect to see much more competition oriented aftermarket support for this gun then there has been for some other SIGs in the past.

I picked up one a couple of weeks back and plan to shoot it in Production and 3 Gun next year. It was quite nice being able to sell my previous production gun and have enough money to easily buy a primary and backup gun along with the rest of the accessories needed to be competitive. Most who shoot the gun mention two primary positives right up front: the trigger and the accuracy. In the accuracy department I am happy to report that unlike many other popular polymer guns if you buy a P320 you will not be looking for an aftermarket barrel. The gun shoots. During my first range day I did some a couple of simple off-hand groups at 7 yards with the P320 and my ACCU bushing equipped CZ SP01 Shadow. Other than the point of aim (about two inches high) you will note that I have no problems putting rounds in the same place and for me it is easily as accurate as my CZ (see picture below showing 5 rounds on each). The trigger is very good out of the box and it's feel is pretty unique. it has a distinctive two-stage feel. The first stage is very light and smooth. the break is very crisp and short and the reset is also exceptionally short. Definitely less travel than my Glocks and a much better break and reset. One of my favorite undocumented features of the trigger is that it works exceptionally well for dry fire. Once you pull the trigger releasing the striker you aren't left with a dead trigger. Not only does the trigger spring still function to return the trigger to it's normal resting position but pulling the trigger again gives you a nice audible and tactile "click" where your shot would normally break and you get another click at the position where the trigger reset should be. Essentially then for dry fire purposes you can use this gun like an SIRT pistol to practice trigger pulls to your heart's content. This video might give you a better idea of what I am describing. I know that Bruce Gray and some others are hard at work on further improving the trigger for competition work and we should see some interesting things early next year. The modular frame is a nice feature as well. I have been running mine with a large grip frame module which positions my trigger better than where it was when my CZ was in single action. I also love to play with different modifications and the fact that I can get an entirely new grip frame module for around $40 is a huge selling point for me. I plan on having several different grips with varying levels of stippling and grip tape so I can use whichever texture will be most appropriate for that specific match or activity. For example my dry fire grip frame right now is pretty much stock to keep the wear and tear on my hands from long dry fire sessions to a minimum whereas I have some aggressive grip tape that will be on a grip frame used mostly for competitions. The positioning of the takedown lever is also convenient as I have started riding my weak hand thumb on it giving me a sort of Production legal thumb rest. As for sights I can confirm that the cut is the same as the P226; however, since the rear dovetail is shorter in the back the P226 Warren and Sevigny sight hang slightly over the back. The Heinie sights for the P226 work great and don't overhang. Dawson makes some front FO sights that should fit but I haven't put the Heinies on paper yet to know what height front I will need.