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I was in his office today. Before heading over there (it is 80 miles one way) I called to see if they had the parts I needed in stock and got Jeff on the line by the third ring. Have you gotten anyone on the line? They had a new woman (Kay) answering the phones there. I wonder if your messages somehow haven't gotten to George. He has always been very prompt getting back to me when I have called in the past and your situation seems very unusual for EGW. I'd call tomorrow after 10AM and ask for him. If he isn't available ask for Jeff. Don't take no for an answer.

What does price have to do with it? At $850 it still wouldn't come close to being the most expensive gun in production. What's the difference between buying the Shadow and paying $850 or buying the SP-01 and paying $595 for the gun, $125 for an action job (which Angus performs on the Shadow before it is shipped out), $65 for new grips and $100 for new sights and a competition hammer and still having an IPSC legal gun? I guess it bothers me that IPSC is saying no to guns with added features that many people want anyways and can legally add themselves. If you just want a stock SP-01 than have at it. I like the fact that I can call CZ and order the shadow and when the gun gets to me I have a gun with all the mods I like right out of the box.

You can't have your cake and eat it to. You can't have a list of permitted modifications and features and then disallow a gun that meets that criteria because it "violates" the spirit of the rules. I don't see how I can modify an stock SP-01 in exactly the same manner that CZ has done with the shadow and still be legal but if I want to save some money and buy it directly with the work already done I can't. That makes no sense. Those that want the features can buy the Shadow those who don't can run a bone stock SP-01 or have it modified to suit their needs. Luckily for me I won't ever shoot overseas and I will never be good enough to make the world team otherwise this nonsensical rulings would really bother me.

Thanks for the feedback. I was going under the assumption that 8 weeks would be on the long side. I'll shot him an e-mail tomorrow.

to receive a trophy you won at a match before you say something? Back in early September I shot the Long Island Championship with two friends. All three of us won our class in our division at the match. Here it is the first week in December and none of us have gotten our trophies. Since I have never won a match where the trophy was to be mailed to you I have no idea if two and a half months is a reasonable time to wait before saying something.

Seems to me that Bruce Willis should hire better firearms consultants on his movies. After all what self respecting Navy SEAL would have their aimpoint mounted backwards for an entire mission like Bruce's was in Tears of the Sun.

Many but not all the parts are STI.

At that price point it is safe to assume that MIM is used extensively in that gun. As it is the Trojan uses one or two MIM parts.

Oops. I guess I need some more coffee. I read your post quickly and saw IDPA box and must have tuned the rest out.

Does it even make weight for production? According to CZ's website it is too heavy for production and can't be used in ESP.

I have found that I haven't saved money by reloading but I have gotten more bang for my buck, literally.

A single piece of steel that won't drop can mean the difference between winning and losing. If they are going to allow the use of steel in sanctioned matches than they should have a clear ruling on how to handle steel that won't fall.

I guess this is one of those cases where the IDPA rule book isn't as through as the USPSA rule book. At our local matches all poppers are tested with a 9MM before the stage is shot. At the state match level if I hit a popper and it didn't drop I would ask to speak to the MD and ask that the popper be recalibrated and then ask for a re-shoot. I think most MD's don't want that sort of controversy hanging over their head and will grant you a re-shoot on the stage. As far as there being a hard and fast rule there isn't one, but the rule book clearly states that the benefit of the doubt should go to the shooter. I assume that would apply to prop malfunctions as well.

Somerset and Phillipsburg. Where/Who in Phillipsbug? http://www.phillipsburgpistolclub.com/

Between dry firing and matches I probably have a couple thousand draws and reholsterings on my hard chromed 1911 and it looks loke it did the day I got the gun from Tripp. There is nothing out there that is the equal of a good chrome job.

No.

Somerset and Phillipsburg.

It is growing in New Jersey but that is because the two clubs that run IDPA matches make a conserted effort to entice new shooters. It comes at a cost though.....

What is the point having rules to define what a production gun is if those in charge apply a standard that isn't even in the rule book? I must be slow because I don't recall ever reading that a gun has to be "practical" to be considered legal for production. This is insane. A company can submit a gun that meets every single standard required of a production gun, but can still be rejected because it is not in the boards mind "practical" whatever the heck that is supposed to mean. And people rip on IDPA.....

Wise words ... I read Vince's responses on the global village and he either ignored, glossed over or completely contradicted posts that he made here in the past. I understand that Vince is not to sole voice on all matters IPSC but he is the only one that makes himself available. That is probably the biggest cause of this whole mess. Decisions were made by PDC and not explained to Tangfolio or the general membership in a timely and concise manner. I suspect most folks would support removing guns from the PD list if they are given a good reason. I still haven't heard a good reason from IPSC on this case other than it looks like a "race gun" dressed up as a production gun. Never mind that fact that it meets every single criteria for inclusion in the division and none that would exclude it. If we applied the rational for excluding this gun to the rest of the list there would be a bunch of guns removed from the list.

The pilot of the plane was NY Yankees pitcher Croy Lidle. Apparently he was having issues with the planes control surfaces. RIP.

I honestly don't see how that should matter. If the gun has all the attributes that are required for inclusion in the division and none that would cause it's exclusion than it should be in the division. Period. If IPSC changed the name of division from production to service pistol (i.e. a side arm that could reasonably be used in LE or military) than it would matter. Until then it seems very odd that they would disallow a gun that met their written criteria. Seems to me that IPSC more or less told manufacturers (wink, wink, nod, nod) that it was ok to make production guns with features that would give it the maximum advantage in the class, and then when Tangfolio did just that they had a problem with it. The real problem, as I see it, is that Tangfolio wasn't the only company to do so yet they were the only ones jerked around for their effort (see the Vince Pinto post linked to earlier in the thread). Either way it isn't a very wise decision for the future of the sport to jerk around a major manufacturer and sponsor in the manner that they did. If I ran Tanfoglio it would be a cold day in hell before I gave money to that governing body.

Atlanta Arms and Ammo makes a really nice 40 S&W minor load. It has been a year since I ordered from him so I don't know his current prices. Give Danny a call and he will hook you up. When I was buying his stuff from him his price for 100 40 S&W was as good as the price Walmart was getting for a WWB 40 S&W valuepack. http://www.atlantaarmsandammo.com/index.htm

I wouldn't be so fast to be critical of those who's guns showed up overweight. I guess if they missed weight by an ounce or two it's on them, but weighed my stainless Springfield on two different scales before the Pa state match this year. On one scale I was 40.9 ounces and on the other 41.3 ounces. It is entirely possbile that some guys did weigh their guns and thought their equipment was under 41 ounces only to find out that their scale was off enough to put them over 41 ounces. In my case I ditched my Davidson's wyrm grips for the original cocobolo grips and saved myself .5 ounces to err on the safe of caution. If I had gone off the first reading (when the second one was right) and Teddy checked the weights I would have had a FTDR headed my way even though I thought my gun was good to go. Just food for thought. Now if someone showed up with a 43 ounces CDP gun, then shame on them.

The Cabela's in Pa had a used 5 inch XD in 40 for $525. Their prices in the store are outrageous on just about any item.