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That is really exceptional, obviously. Congratulations on that. I used to obsess over this and new all the bests and what years they were shot. A single digit score on F&N at the match is extremely rare, sub 20 is also very rare but there were a handful of people every year that pulled that out. My personal best practicing this(to the exclusion of all other forms of practice during like 2012-14 era) was an 8 and my best at the match(my only top 10 overall) was 2014 with a 20 on F&N and I only made top 10 because of that stage. Looking back i would do so many things differently, its hard to believe that was 10 years ago now... Rich has zero'd this stage in practice multiple times apparently. Its doable so long as you can clean the 50 and 25 yd lines which is no joke. I never could clean the 50 and 25 and would always choke 1 or 2 at the 10 yd line.

I'd call that extraordinary by a mile.

clever.

I think this is probably where most of us should operate. I also think most shooters are all over the board, they aren't shooting there own match most of the time and are probably not even clear what exactly they are doing stage to stage, they are often shooting someone else match. In the final analysis "you can only shoot your own match" seems obvious but when I listen to someone great talk about it there is something else going on there that comes from deep experience and KNOWING exactly what there individual capabilities are(what they can get away with) and being able to repeat the performance.

This is a skill that comes only with experience and ability to do arithmetic in head quickly. You need to work this muscle at every single stage at every single match to develop. I think this skill is relatively rare in practice, super squadders/world beaters can look at a stage and in a few seconds tell you what the hf will be down to a decimal which to me seems like a magic trick...

The factory barrels are 1/10 twist. Ymmv. Of my 4 929's only 1 factory barrel shot something id call good at 25 yards. The others were 4" ++

Call them, 1-800-331-0852. also, for whatever you think its worth, I have apex pins with 100's of thousands of hits on them, i have never broken one and am not aware of any breaking for anyone else either, in years past i had talked to Scott Folk about lifespan of those pins and he basically said its not a question, just keep using it. Not to say that they will never break but practically speaking its fine indefinitely. c&s are uniquely fragile, i have broken 3, i have seen other people break them in front of me including 1 time infamously.

1.168 is fine, I load 160's to 1.200 and there is no slippage, egw udie, 355 , 357, and 358 bullets, they all hold fine. Get rid of that fcd.

The udie in my experience solves slippage. .357 bullets into a 9mm udie sized brass should create excellent neck tension. Some find it upsetting, the factory crimp die is a nonsolution to any loading issue, especially with soft bullets. Think of it loke this, the fcd is resizing the neck, again, with a soft bullet in it. The neck squeezes, the lead bullets deforms, when it comes out of the die, the lead bullets deforms but the brass has spring to it, so the effect is you loose neck tension. The solution is not more crimp, its to just remove the bell. My theory here is that your brass is getting overworked between udie/357 bullet/fcd over that and its compromising neck tension. Throw fcd in trash(or at least back of bench) and put in a taper crimp that just takes the bell off.

This is the whole crimp vs neck tension convo I think. I personally switch to a egw udie a long time ago, it creates a more consistent result, for me anyways. Proper 9mm headspaces on the case mouth, there isn't a "crimp" other than removing the bell down to .377" - 378". 929's headspace on the moonclip, so its not really a thing, or at least not a functional issue to overdo the crimp, but a crimp will routinely not do anything to help with bullets pulling under recoil, at least in my experience. I haven't used blue bullets, but if you are pulling them and the coating is gone it sounds like, possibly anyways, a tiny bit more bell is needed before you seat the bullet so the coating is not getting disturbed which may be compromising it enough to cause slippage later. Load a clip, fire 7, and then check the OAL of the last, it should not change.

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Nah, I can reliably break a .19 -23 as it shows on the timer. I know this because this is a specific isolation exercise I have been working on in practice(last week) which is finger all the way forward against trigger guard and shooter the paster at the beep(5 yds). emphasis around keeping trigger hand as loose as possible. caveat this practice has been with my 2011, so the trigger is easier by a million miles, but I am 100% confident I can do this under .30 with my revolver. I am no Olympian and I have raging tinnitus and 20% hearing loss, i think anyone that goes out and works on this...reacting at the *start* of the beep and not "the beep" can do this, its not super human.

Your test is interesting but its mainly measuring tour reaction time? I think pulling the trigger as fast as you can, the quality of the trigger does not matter much until the gap gets extreme, like 12 or 14 lbs and even then probably not much if at all. I think your intention to move your finger as fast as it will move is all that matters and the load and distance is such that the rate of acceleration will be constant and because the distance is so short any difference if even measurable is very very small. I would add also, like on a longer shot, for me anyways, if its far and precise then the trigger speed will be slower, it just is. Ive discussed this with some luminaries and they articulate the process much the same. Pull the trigger as fast as i can for the shot is a refinement of as fast as i can all the time.

10 yds, the shot is gone well before the beep is over, the timer will be about .21 or thereabouts. What i cant do with any durability is send the second one in the next .20 interval and have it fall pretty close to the first one. My absolute best full send into berm are .18 which is slow compared to what the match winners can do. A 10 on a b8? Thats like 3"? And it HAS to be an 10? Its very high confirmation, the dot needs to be very settled, something like .7 or .8 plus easy.

Exactly. But we all got 6-6.5 barrels from where we could and rebarreled 625's and then 627's after the 8 shot rule. I actually knew the main product designer for the 929, he would come to matches here and there. He ended up leaving s&w. anyhow, the thing i hated about it was the weight but the underlug was a supposedly a jerry thing, he thinks it makes the gun more stable.

I had an issue with a toolhead, ended up taking the thing all the way down and rebuilding. Everything moves freely by hand, no obstructions. When I calibrate the motor correctly advances the head all the way to the top, goes to bottom, but when it comes back up it stops short by like 1/2" of advance on the plate. It can definitely go all the way to the top because it does at the top of the calibration cycle. Not sure whats up, everything moves freely top to bottom by hand, nothing is interfering. Any ideas? I power cycled everything but no diff as well...

Yeah, unfortunate in the extreme.

4.2 of n320 @ 1.500 coal with a 158 or 160. It is probably the perfect 38 special load. Fyi...123 pf is where it will land...

+Bear crawl. Seriously, would someone please just say the rm's name and exactly what the issue with this person is?

i get it, im not suggesting that thumbs are doing anything in particular for creating support, my thumbs are just sort of there, i don't actively do anything..point them out or put pressure into gun with them...

damn sorry to hear.

His thumbs point off into space I think, what he is doing looks on the surface like he shouldn't even be able to hold have a significant grip on the thing lol

Im not actually sure why its not just surfaced, i never heard a convincing answer why uspsa doesnt just publish the hhf either except a vague thing about the classification system being what makes uspsa have value along with the rule book...

If you know a time and what the % was, you can calculate the 100. Time(score) is inversely proportional to time in icore. By way of an example, I shot cs-16 at 16.21 sec for a 69.71%/ so the math looks like 16.21/x = 69.71/100 x = 16.21 * 69.71/100 x = 16.21 * .6971 11.29 sec would be the 100% for cs-16. I think thats right anyways. Its a disheartening exercise

I was taught to shoot revolvers by craig buckland, he won an irc in classic and a couple if idpa world championships. He shoot thumbs forward. Olhasso, lentz, mcginty all shoot thumb forward, as does miculek when he shoots the fat xframe grip. The short answer is, if it seems to be working dont overthink it. I dont have any particular pointers, i just grab it mostly the same way, support hand wraps(like a c clamp, tips anchor, roll in for pressure rather than squeezing if that makes sense). I eject with thumb, as much as possible i am basically copying jerry. I see a few guys doing the pointer finger eject, notably mike, but mike, and rich, both have an unconventional/graufel style grip, it puts his hand in an optimal position to do a pointer finger eject and his support hand moves very little during the whole process, he is doing what is probably close to the absolute optimal reload in terms of least amount of movement to make it all happen.