Jake Di Vita

I've been started that way at some stages -- explicitly told it was a legal position for that stage -- and told to get down on other stages, possibly at the same match..... It'll depend on the WSB and what the CRO/RM decide to do.... It'd be nice to have a definitive 100% ruling on that if there's that much subjectivity to it.

Yes.No different than standing on a box behind a barricade to start. (Shooting box, not a cube) That's the scenario I had in my head. I have been told I couldn't do that more than once in the past.

So if the starting position is defined as standing within the shooting area, can I start standing wholly on top of the fault lines with no part of me touching the ground inside or outside since they are part of the shooting area? How about if it says standing within the fault lines?

yep. that one is easy. fault lines are inside the shooting area. Similar situation came up at columbia cascade section last year, where you pretty much had to stand on the fault lines to lean far enough over to get to a target. Here's a trickier one..... what if you leave the ground from inside the fault lines, and land outside.... Do you have to actually be touching inside, or can you keep shooting with both feet in the air until you touch outside? All the times I've shot while falling out of a box I've still had one foot on the ground for more stability, but I think it would still be ok to shoot if that foot came up, until I touch something outside the shooting area. That's pretty much the same situation I was talking about. Any RO should have known that was legal. ? He did. I don't know what you're trying to get at. It's just a good example of the difference between gaming and cheating.

The nature of our game encourages us to ride the line of competitive advantage as close as possible without stepping over. I remember when I got into USPSA the general consensus among the people I shot with was if it isn't expressly forbidden, you can do it. Here's another question. Can I legally shoot from within the free fire zone if I have one foot on the top of the fault line with the other in the air so that nothing is touching inside the fault lines? I had this question at the OH state match last year and was informed by the CRO (who has been doing this stuff a long long time and has worked many nationals) that it was totally cool to do so. At first glance, I didn't think it was legal, but it was explained to me that by the definition I am not outside of the free fire zone. Gaming? Hell yes. Cheating? No.

I have no disagreement with your statement. I didn't intend to say they were the same, but that the OP's idea of 'gaming' is actually not gaming, but just against the rules. Ok....when you say "game it (ie. cheat)" it sure sounds like you are saying they are the same thing, which is the only reason I said anything.

I'm not speaking towards the legality of the action, I'm saying that cheating and gaming aren't the same thing.

Gaming is doing whatever you can that is within the rules. Cheating is going outside of the rules. They are not the same thing and shouldn't be referred to as such.

Your skin will toughen up over time if you do it consistently.

I don't recall, it's been a long time. I'll get some numbers in the next couple months here when I start live firing.

Great, leave it there, no need to drag it into pistol matches. Man you are ridiculous...I thought I was stubborn. Trust me, everyone knows where you stand on this. Really.

A flat 20% off the top of a little excessive I think. Lower it by maybe a quarter second everytime you do it successfully. If you can't run 36/36 (6 clean runs in a row) on demand at 5 seconds, I wouldn't lower the par time until you can.

Why don't you show me where and how it's against the rules chief. Pretty sure it was vetted by people more experienced than both of us seeing how area match and all.

I remember shooting a stage at the Area 7 match years ago that was self starting (so you actually pressed the timer button yourself) and hands anywhere except actually touching the pistol (everyone I saw caged the gun with their hand almost touching). No one cared then because it wasn't a big deal at all. Amazing how people get their panties in a twist over stuff as little as this. Dear God.

With a dot gun I would probably keep the distance the same and lower the par time.

If you notice entering with one foot is easier than the other, you should probably practice the side you don't like to enter with more.

Sounds like you're shooting Production, that clearly presents its own challenges for the reload. Make sure you are devoting time to reloading from each pouch. Perhaps you'll benefit by orienting your mag pouches to the outside like I see some people do nowadays. I've never tried it so I can't really speak on it but people are obviously doing it with great success. Doubt it can be done with the versa pouch though, I don't know.

Yeah....the solution is to keep practicing. I assume that you have enough space between your pouches that it is possible for you to get a good grip. The motion needs to be direct from gun to magazine, but ultimately I think you just have to do it thousands and thousands of times. There are no secrets or shortcuts and each of our body types presents its own unique challenge.

Amen. The worst part is Roger Boisjoly knew about the faulty O rings 6 months before launch and lost his career for trying to warn of the impending disaster. http://www.lettersofnote.com/2009/10/result-would-be-catastrophe.html I get angry just thinking about it...

I agree that in general when it comes to anything athletic if what you are doing is comfortable it is probably wrong or at the least less than ideal. Most of time, you have to fight to maintain ideal position. That isn't to say you can't make progress otherwise because clearly you can, but it will likely limit your ability to improve at some point.

probably not doing enough crossfit to prepare him for the rigors of dryfire. Shouldn't you be busy with your shakeweight or bowflex? I've dealt with enough trolls irrationally hating on crossfit to last 2 lifetimes. Not at all interested in doing it again, not even a tiny little bit. Thanks, that was a year ago, had a PRP proceedure (blood spinning) done in June. No longer have any pain, but I do have soreness. Unfortunately I have to limit draw practice which is of course finding the dot. My practice now is more geared towards match performance, i.e. entries, exits, transitions type stuff that does not put too much strain on my extensor tendon in my right forearm That's good. What are you doing to rehab it?

Torn tendon from dry fire? Sheesh, I don't know how you managed that. Hope recovery goes well.

Sounds like you need more dry fire with it. No reason why anything with a dot should be slower than without a dot.

If you knew me, you'd know the last thing I want to talk about is myself. Just trying to provide some perspective as I thought it was pertinent to the conversation.

It's pretty fast, but don't forget I'm primarily an Open shooter. For me, in Open, the times I'd like to see are something close to these: 7-10 yards: 1.5 or under 15 yards: 2.0 25 yards: 2.5 50 yards: under 3.5 Limit of human function times are of course below that. If I'm real trained up, I want to hit these times cold.