Bill

They used one of my stages one year & I didn't even know about until I read the match report in Front Sight. The stage was " Back to the Future IPSC Style". We had used it in the Area 5 at Hancock County and they "borrowed" it from there. Bill Nesbitt

2alpha & tightloop, You guys have been doing this for a while haven't you? We used to shoot fixed time standards a lot before they invented timers. Stop watch & whistle. I guess you remember stop plates in assult courses? Bill Nesbitt

Jack, I went to the USPSA web site & there are several USPSA clubs listed in Arkansas, 2 or 3 around Fort Smith. Around here a lot of people drive 2 hours or more to shoot. Depending on the exact location I don't see a big problem starting another USPSA club if it doesn't interfere with existing matches, IDPA or USPSA. Can you travel to some of the local USPSA matches and see who would travel to your new club? Any business venture is a gamble. Go for it. Around here rural areas seem to draw more shooters than ranges near big cities. Bill Nesbitt

j1b, This is a tough one. Location has a lot to do with it. I live in eastern Ohio which is IDPA country. Western OH is USPSA. Flex's home range is right in the middle and gets several "crossover" shooters. This is a new club. Most people shoot Limited or Limited 10. Few shoot open. I don't want to hurt any feelings, but I don't notice many of the top scorers in their respective sports crossing over. IPSC & IDPA are the same but just enough different to make it hard to excell in both. (just because TGO does it doesn't mean we all can) Here are my answers by number. 1. You will have to ask local shooters if they will come. Do you now attend local IDPA matches & will some of the shooters follow you to dabble in IPSC? 2. Some will buy 10 round mags & shoot limited 10, others will shoot production. I doubt you will have many open shooters. You might have several revolver shooters. Stage design is the key. If the shooters have fun they will come back. 3. Keep the match fee as close to local IDPA fees as possible. It was a little sticker shock for me when I shot my first USPSA match after shooting only IDPA for 6 years. 4. Yes. 5. Timing. Around here most matches are on weekends & everybody works together to schedule matches to not interfere with other clubs. Each club has one match a month. You will HAVE to schedule your matches on dates when nobody else is shooting. Good Luck. We need to stick together as shooters. Bill Nesbitt

SteveW, I'm going to agree with Headhunter. Those loads are pretty hot to be putting in 38 brass. You are splitting cases after 2 loadings. I usually get many loadings from 38 brass. Also the Winchester military brass is thicker. That is why it lasts longer. You are probably also getting higher pressures from the military brass. Not a good thing. One of your earlier posts said you used load data for a LSWC and you are shooting jacketed bullets. Jacketed bullets also raise pressure. I understand why you want to duplicate your carry load but I'll bet you can find a load in the manuals that will do that. Good luck. The reason I tried the 9mm bullets was because I already had several thousand on hand to load 9mm's. Bill Nesbitt

SteveW, Your loads are definately in the PlusP range in "old" reloading manuals. Are you using 38 special brass? You want to make sure those don't get shot in a 38 instead of your 357 mag. They will probably speed up wear in a 38. Are your carry loads 38's or 357? Why not load up 357 brass for IDPA? I don't have any problems using the 9mm bullets. My 3 inch model 10 will do head shots at 25 yards. That's all I need for IDPA. Bill Nesbitt

Ron, The biggest difference with moon clips is that you don't flub any reloads. It is much easier to have a bad reload with speedloaders. Yes, I can do faster splits, transitions etc but "I miss the whole freaking target" Bill Nesbitt

A smooth reload is 3.0. A sloppy one is 3.5. That is a with a model 10 with speedloaders. Yes, I can make those times any time I want to with good hits. Bill Nesbitt

I think Jerry Miculek on his video was shooting .14 to .18 or so. My splits are .20 to .25. Transition is .30 to .35. My draw is 1.5. I should be losing a lot more than I do. Bill Nesbitt

This thread is about last years IDPA Nationals. For a report about this year go to Match Announcments and Discussions. Flex, maybe you can make a link. Bill Nesbitt

Wayne, None of my revolvers have the recessed chambers. I have had problems in the past with "stuff" getting under the ejector star. Use a clean powder that leaves no residue. I use Bullseye. Also always turn the revolver with the barrel pointing to the sky when ejecting. This has solved my problems. Bill Nesbitt

SteveW, Cool, speedloaders rule. tightloop, I only have to take 30 seconds off my time to beat Alex. I think I will start by losing 30 pounds. Then I can move quicker. I was 4th senior. I got beat by some of those blasted flatgunners. GB, I got my load with slight modifications from the Speer #10 Reloading Manual. So if somebody blows up a gun call Speer. Page 362 lists the start Bullseye load for a 146 grain bullet as four point five(4.5) and the max ( plus P) as five point four(5.4) I get a power factor of 125 + with around 4.7 grains of Bullseye. I substituted West Coast 147 grain 9mm bullets. Current reloading manuals do not list this load. I have no signs of pressure at all and cases eject easily. I offer this information in the hope that speedloaders will soon rule. Bill Nesbitt (Edited by BILL at 4:30 pm on Oct. 13, 2002)

I just got back from practicing with my Para .45 after shooting only a revolver or Glock for the last 2 years. Sure had to slow down to get center hits. I think a lot of the problem with me is how the gun points naturally. The 1911's point low & I have to raise the sights, while the revo & Glock point OK for me. I used to shoot 1911's all the time & they pointed OK then. Bill Nesbitt

The problem is you only have 5 fingers on a hand. When you count to 5 then switch hands you get confused. Hi-Cap shooters have to use their toes also. Bill Nesbitt

An "unofficial" set of results has been posted at http://www.gallatingun.com/idpa/nat2002.htm Bill Nesbitt (Edited by BILL at 5:13 am on Oct. 8, 2002)

I heard rumors that it will either be in Jefferson City Missouri or Little Rock Arkansas next year. Bill Nesbitt

This idea for the "Buckeye Blast" is way cool. Timing is critical. We didn't make it to the Ohio or Tri-State because we were training for the IDPA Nationals. There are a lot of shooters in the Ohio Valley area that shoot both IDPA & USPSA. Plan it for a time when there are no big shoots for either sport. I think it should just be a USPSA shoot. That is what the RO's are used to. One of the clubs where I shoot tried to have IDPA & USPSA run at the same time for monthly matches and it didn't work out. Count on 2 IDPA shooters to attend if the timing is right. Bill Nesbitt

I am hoping to have just made a point. I just finished second to Alex Zimmerman at the IDPA Nationals using a 3 inch S&W model 10 with speedloaders. I think there were only 4 other speedloader revolver shooters at the Nationals. Yes, moon clips dominate. I don't see why though. Bill Nesbitt

It was a good match. TGO shot a 169.xx, Scott Warren shot a 170.xx. There was only a .3 difference in their scores and Dave Sevigny shot a 170.xx with a .03 difference between Scott & Dave. Close. Alex Zimmerman shot a 199.xx and I had a 228.xx for second SSR. Sue was 4th Lady. This was a thinking match. Many stages had a different number of rounds required on targets in the same stage. For instance: 2-2-2 in a room, 5 on one target backing to cover then 1 more on that target from cover & 2 on the last target from the other side of cover. Then the next stage right beside it in the same bay had you shoot 5 body and one mandatory head shot while retreating from a target before finishing the remaining targets in the scenerio with 2 shots each. Several stages required 3 shots per target and it was easy to forget and only do the usual double tap. Or for the more experienced the controlled pair. You had to be able to think and shoot at the same time. The weather was beautiful. We thought LILI would mess things up. As it turned out the rain etc came through on Thursday night and by Friday morning is was sunny again. Of course GoreTex boots were pretty handy. I guess the prone stage was a little splashy for a while. The SO's were all friendly and fair. The stages were well designed. IDPA wants the Nationals stages to be designed to let shooters take them home and easily set them up at local clubs. Because of that the props are not as elaborate as USPSA shooters are used to seeing at big matches. It takes some thought to be able to design stages that are a challange to all. We had fun. Bill Nesbitt

Ok, I am another MAFG. Only middle aged if life expectancy is 114. Bigger bullets give a higher power factor at any given velocity don't they? Also CD and RN(redneck) Bill Nesbitt

Patches, That was a good post. Thank you. Bill Nesbitt

I saw them in the Natchez catalog I think. Said they won't work in most repeaters. Bill Nesbitt

I have been shooting "Combat Pistol" for over 20 years. Since before USPSA when there was only IPSC. I switched to IDPA when it came along because I was tired of the arms race. Now I am shooting USPSA again because I can shoot in production, limited 10 or, my favorite, revolver. If there was still only Open & Limited I probably wouldn't have come back. I can now shoot USPSA with my IDPA equipment. I have plenty of IDPA matches to shoot without shooting USPSA. In my opinion the biggest difference between IDPA & USPSA is that the best "shooter" will win in IDPA, where in USPSA the best shooter NEEDS the latest equipment to win - - - - Unless - - - they are shooting in production. limited 10 or revolver. Having said that, I recently drug my old Limited Para 45 out of the safe. I got some Dawson base pads & have a new mag well ready to install. 18 rounds of 45. I feel the need for speed. The mag well will fit in the IDPA box & I have some short mags. I might get good if I shoot it in both sports. I even looked at my Nastoff 45 comp gun. Only a single stack. Sigh. Bill Nesbitt

InTheBlack, I checked your matrix thread. That is similar to how I figured out I could shoot master in SSR. I figured my times for each string from my practice sessions. You really need your own timer to find out how fast you can shoot different skills. Some of the clubs where I shoot will have the classifier for the monthly match. They set the 3 stages up in 3 different bays and you can start on any stage. Bill Nesbitt

Going back to tightloop's question about non pro shooters doing 60 on the classifier. All the Pros had a day job at first and had to prove they were good enough to be sponsored. I think there are several things that affect how well we can shoot. First I think you need to have a shooting range nearby that you can use however and when ever you need to practice. A timer is needed. Then practice 2 or 3 times a week for 2 to 300 rounds. Dry fire a little bit and any working person can be a top shooter. I think the will to do better is more important than being sponsored. There are lot of people shooting the classifier in the 60's and 70's. That is a long way from 98 in SSP. Maybe we do need a Grand Master class.