Corey

There is no way to penalize someone for not taking the shot (other than if they get a M on the target of course). If a shooter only loads up 5 rounds bc hes afraid of shooting too many then has a jam and kicks out a round, he can't finish. In that circumstance, we wouldn't penalize them. There is the "extra shot" issue. He shot too many before the reload so should be penalized for it. If you want to argue that the whole stage is one string and he didn't shoot extras at the end of the stage then he gets 2 procedurals for stacking shots. I think the answer is 2 Procedurals anyway you slice it.

2 Procedurals for the 2 extra shots before the Reload. The WSB said to engage T1-T5 with only 1 round each and he didn't do that, so he gets the penalties for it.

Lets try to keep the thread on topic. A reminder from the Forum Guidelines: Attitude Please be polite. Or if not polite, at least respectful. No bickering. Regardless of the subject matter. Antagonistic, offensive, or quarrelsome tones are not acceptable.

I'm thinking "hot packs" means hand warmers since he referred to a 27 degree day (which screw that, im staying home if its that cold haha). Sounds like shooters problem to me.

Im going to assume that if you are going to the trouble of ladder testing a pistol load, you are at least shooting from a rock solid rest? If not, do that and report back. For MOST reloading situations, mainly talking rifle-wise but the concepts of a reloaded cartridge are the same, vertical stringing is usually attributed to load variation. Different bullet weight, difference in powder charge, difference in seating depth, difference in bullet tension, etc. Are you chronoing these rounds to see what the ES and SD are?

Kinda strict for a local match and a new shooter. If it helps a new shooter stay in the sport, I'm all for giving him a little leeway in his first match. I'm not saying I don't help out a first timer. Ill give coaching tips before the stage starts, I'll make sure they understand what to do etc before i actually start them. But just because they are new or its their first match, I'm not going to say "Oh, you hit 2 No Shoots and forgot to shoot at those pieces of steel over there. You wanna run it again and try to do better?"

The rule book is pretty clear about when a reshoot is mandatory and when it can be offered as an option. Pretty sure "Because the shooter is a new guy" isn't in there, but I haven't read it cover to cover in awhile. If you are running a USPSA match, then you are required to follow the rule book. If you are going to go off book, then advertise your match as an "Outlaw action pistol"" match and do what you want.

welcome from the NE part of the state!

Shoot the pistol from a rest to see if the gun is shooting off target or if its enduced when you shoot it. If it shoots good from a rest (or when someone else tries it) but shoots off target when you shoot it, then the problem is you, not the gun or the sights. Figure out why you are shooting off target (grip, trigger control, etc) and correct the issue. adjusting the sights and continuing to shoot poorly won't help you in the long run.

Yes, its tough when you are out of state, etc. But plan ahead. Order some ammo in time to get it and test it before you leave. Then either ship ammo yourself or order another batch (and hope nothing changed) and send it to the match ahead of you.

Unless its official Match Ammo, its on the shooter's shoulders. The ammo maker might say its "major PF qualified" but until you shoot it through your gun, you won't know for sure. If it was ammo that was ordered and shipped to the match ahead of time, then the shooter should have ordered it early enough to test it themselves first to make sure it works ok then ship a batch to the end location. Aside from injury liability due to "faulty" rounds, the manufacturer wouldn't be responsible for anything else.

Most clubs will run a classifier stage, but I don't think its required at every match. Clubs do have to have a minimum amount for the year I believe though. If you've shot for 6 months, you should have more than 1 classifier on file.

I run 4 total. 1 in the gun, 1 for the main planned reload on most stages. 1 for a backup mag/2nd reload if its needed. 1 for " oh $#!T" stages/days.

Shot the FW match yesterday. Tried to keep the pace high on this match as well and my points showed it, big time! Feeling better about my movement and footwork (always room for improvement though) and close targets, but I had a few misses and/or NS hits that were just plain uncalled for. Definitely wasn't looking at my sights the way I need to be, too many steel makeup shots and some targets that I had no idea if i even hit them or not. Hopefully will have a practice session this Thursday if the weather and my schedule allow it. Probably will not work on any speed stuff, but simple shot calling and precision. Its needed... Video from this past weekend:

If the gun is "dropped" (meaning loss of control whether it hits the ground or not) during the COF, ie: after "Make Ready" and before "Range is clear" then its a DQ, end of story. If the gun is dropped outside the COF: pasting, walking to your car, in the bathroom, in the stats shack, getting lunch from the food truck, etc then there is no DQ....UNLESS the shooter picks it up themselves. Then you've just handled the gun outside of the safe area or under RO direction. If any of those previous situations happen, call for an RO from the nearest stage and have them pick it up for you, no DQ. Lets keep it simple

The V3 is more for rifle use as its strapped to the end of the barrel. might be able to make a brace or something to hold it on the table, but not ideal. Get a CED M2 or a Chrony. And yes, Chronos are essential to load development, especially if you compete. how do you know you are making proper PF unless you chrono the rounds. But a chrono wont stop you from a squib. it MIGHT save you from an overcharge but only if you are lucky and the first one doesn't blow something up.

I think every match has 100s of shooters doing this...I'm trying to win every stage I shoot at every match I shoot. I know I can't win them all but if I'm lucky enough to steal a few points here and there, good for me

Phone or tablet gets the job done for me I fi need to get online while traveling. Or read a book?

Great points and some things I try to work on a bit as well. I've noticed a big improvement on my agility and explosiveness but still need to work on more. If you want to work on explosive stop and starts try this: Start a running clock and on go run a 10yd sprint, now wait the rest of the minute. As soon as the next minute starts (minute #2) run 2-10yd sprints, one down and one back. 3rd minute do 3 (down-back-down), 4th minute do 4 (down-back-down-back), etc. It will seem boring and stupid for about 6-10 minutes, then it will get harder. When you fail to complete the round you are on within that minute, then you're done so if you get through 15 minutes but then can't do the full 16 sprints the next minutes your score is 15. Write it down and see if you can improve it over time. It gets harder than you think if you push yourself Great cardio workout and you really get to work on starting and stopping quickly, changing directions, etc.

Stage score is your doing. Match score is in relation to everyone else, yes. But that's the point of competition...do better than everyone else or at least see how you compare to everyone else. I've never shot IDPA so im not 100% sure how their scoring works ( I know its time plus penalties for outside the circle, etc) but at the end of the match, its still your score vs their score...so match performance, meaning whether you finished 1st 3rd or 25th, still depends on other people. I get what you are trying to say but in any sort of a competitive sport, the resulting outcome is based on who outperformed who. And that can only be done by comparing scores. And yes, another shooter outside the top 10 could have (and if we look long enough and do enough math probably did) effect the outcome you could also say that if Bob had shot 1 or 2 less Cs or Ds he could have won. Or if he would have won a particular stage instead of finishing 2nd on it, he could have won. Still comes back to you and your score. Shoot the best you can and see where you fall. If its not on top, do better next time.

Your HF determines your place and therefore stage points on that stage. But yes, its based on how your HF compares to others. I don't know how you can compete with someone else and NOT compare performances like you want though?

Isnt any competition based on how you do vs someone else? Even if its just you on the range practicing, how do you know you are improving? By doing better than yourself on a certain drill. Its always you vs them, even if the "them" is your previous self. There is no other way to know what your performance is... Your score is based on how you shoot it. YOUR points divided by YOUR time equals YOUR hit factor. That's your score. Now what place you finish is based on how others did as well. Edit: RJH, great minds think alike lol

Officially pulled out of the Pro-Am later this month. I love shooting at the Rock and the prize table at that match is always spectacular but life is just getting in the way right now. Too many irons in the fire with family, business, etc and some things need to take priority. Hopefully my spot goes to someone who has never shot there before and enjoys it. With the Pro-Am off the calendar and a business trip this weekend pretty much taking me out of INMG shoot-off contention I may be done with 3gun for the year. We'll see what time looks like I guess. Still planning on shooting the In Sectional next month so most of any practice time I will get in the next few weeks will be focused on getting ready for that. Been feeling good about my footwork on stages and stage times but I need to clean up the accuracy a tad. I've been pushing hard in practice and local matches to see where my breaking point is. The "plan" is to dial back from that all out break-neck pace and shoot a good Sectional match. Just got in a nice shiny box of 40 brass so its time to get the press back to cranking again!

Went in this week for my 6-mo checkup. Got the start of a cavity on one of my molars. First one in about 6 or 7 years. ugh.