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5.15 grain of Vihtavuori N320 over a 230 grain RN CMJ Frontier bullet. Fed LP150 primers and OAL of .1250" Gives me a 180 PF in my old S&W 625-2. It's accurate and consistent. I had a 10fps spread on the chrono.

Keith, this was another thing that made this whole process easier to comprehend. Thanks! It looks so simple, but it made me realize that in dryfire, I observe, and in live fire I "want". I want to be fast. I want to be accurate. And the big one, I want to see improvement when I'm on the range and results when I'm shooting a match. And I think I've made the mistake of just taking the mechanics from dry fire to the range, but not the mental aspects that I developed in dry fire simultaneously with the mechanics. No man, thanks to you guys for helping me out here! I really appreciate it! (From Wayne's World: Terry: Wayne! Wayne! Garth told me about the show, man. I love you man. Wayne Campbell: Yea, and I love you too, Terry. Terry: No no no, I mean it man. I LOVE you! Wayne Campbell: No, I-I mean it. I love you. Terry: No you don't, man. I love you!) Brian, thanks for giving me a drill to work with! I found it difficult to come up with a specific drill for this problem. I'm going to the range tomorrow, so I'll see how it works out. @Sam: Accept it? Hell no! Though I think my lack of acceptance in this case will slow my progress down, but that is something for another thread

I have a polished 3.5 lbs. disconnector in my 2nd gen. G17 and the trigger breaks at 5.3 lbs. Perfectly legal, as they sell them that way to the Finnish Government (yay!)

Hooah! So true! Congrats man

I've never encoutered any stage where the safety had to be applied after the beep. So it seems pretty realistic to me.

If the gun is solely used for production, why would the placement of the safety matter? If all is well, the shooter will never have to manipulate it during a course of fire.

I notice that the guys in this thread who say physical fitness doesn't matter are in pretty good shape themselves

Dang, I'll miss that guy. One time I went into a hotel, I asked the bellhop to handle my bag - he felt up my wife. They say 'love thy neighbor as thy self', what am I supposed to do jerk him off too? What a kid I got, I told him about the birds and the bee and he told me about the butcher and my wife. My cousins gay, he went to London only to find out that Big Ben was a clock. Rodney...respect!

Well, I just came back from the range. I did some live fire mixed with dry fire on the range. I noticed a couple of things. 1) Knowing that the gun will go bang hogs mental bandwith (/occupies my mind). I anticipate the shot. Kind of like a mental flich, I guess. I did draws to 8" paper plates at 14 yds. I noticed that I was very busy with "hitting" the plate, instead of just putting the sights on the plate and watching them lift. I think it has something to do with that slight difference between caring about what you do, or caring about what your gun does. It's probably a lack of trusting/knowing. These mental fliches seem to put me in a less observing mode. It is more difficult to remain calm. 2) I need to be way less forgiving when I dry fire, or trust my skills more when I live fire. In dry fire I try to be as true as I can, but there's definately still a difference in how much time I spend on the sights and how much attention I give to proper triggering. Lack of trust in live fire? Or overconfident in dry fire? Beats me. 3) My hands get dry at indoor ranges. I need to buy handwarmers Well, at least I'm glad that my match performance is almost always better than my live fire practice performance Flex, I'm with you on the tension thing. I know I'll have to deal with it all by myself. I just hope that I can figure this stuff out pretty soon. @chp5: I think the two shooters you name have something in common. I remember reading somewhere in the very beginning of this board something Brian wrote about Rob. He said Rob was the dry fire king. He wouldn't follow a strict regime, but he would have his gun laying around the house and he would be picking it up and handling it now and then. Snapping it, doing some transitions and stuff. I once asked Eric G. how much time he spent dry firing. I expected something like 1.5 hours a day. I was stunned when he told me he almost never dry fired. He would do it only if he had no time to train live fire and would do it only for 10 minutes tops. I think they miss the gap between live fire and dry fire because they do so much live fire in comparison to the time they spend dry firing. Could too much dry fire be bad?

McOliver, my thoughts exactly. Eye Cutter, I think it's good that manufacturers develop new guns that are "better", but I don't like the fact that some good guns become "obsolete" because there is not enough room for bullets in the magazine. Beretta 92, CZ-75, H&K USP, etc. All good guns, but handicapped, because they only have 15+1

ErikW, I completely identify my experiences with the 4 "realms" of shooting you wrote down. Especially the slow fire/rapid fire part, but that's something for a different thread. Your remark... ...made sense to me, but then I realized that I even have this when I have no ammo on the range. It's also when I'm dryfiring facing the wall onthe range. Brian, I kind of suspect this.... ...is a rethorical question, but here goes anyways Dry fire relates to live fire/shooting a match, in that I handle the gun with the same intention in both situations. It has no relationship whatsoever in that I don't shoot. This might sound simple. What I mean is that there is no "first one has to be right"-run. I practice dry fire to analyze. I push myself to cross limits. I guess the main difference is that in dry fireI have the feeling that what I do is important, while in live fire I have the feeling that what the gun does is important. This probably sounds weird @ Ron & Froglegs: I see what you mean, but it is not so much the difference in times between live and dry that I worry about. It is the difference in feel. It's missing a grip or fumbling a reload. Stuff like that happens less in dryfire. I worry about the fact that dry fire and live fire are becoming different things/realms instead of two things that stimulate eachother. @midvalleyshooter: I tried the handwarmers and they make a huge difference on a cold range. I noticed the grip of my gun becomes real warm after 15 min of dry fire, and realized this probably never happens on the range. So this means that in a match your gun will feel different period, unless you warm it up or something. I like the idea of dryfiring in different areas of the house. I try that, thanks! @McOliver: Are there people who have more than one pair of underpants? Who are these freaks? @Aikidale: I am going to work with your comment. I'll try something on the range tonight to see if it works. @chp5: No doubt, dry fire helps a lot. I had a new personal best Bill Drill last monday after dry firing Bill Drills in the weekend with my timer. But still I can't help but think there has to be a way to experience dry fire and live fire the same way, with the only difference in the gun going click vs. bang. Guys, I am real happy with the things you have posted. I feel this whole thread might take me to a next step. These forums are Da Shizzle! Thanks! Björn

[Thread drift mode on] Nik, I fully agree with you. OTOH, if it wasn't for the AWB I doubt that the USPSA would have a 10 round limit. I think the ban "saved" your PD

They should have a capacity limit of 15+1 rounds in IPSC PD. That would take care of it I think

Thanks Flex, I think you've nailed it. Your post made me realize that perhaps I'm creating a difference between live fire and dry fire. And yes, perhaps it's an experience thing. So, more live fire with the analyzing mentality I have during dry fire should change something. I'll try it. Any other suggestions, maybe from people who have "been there"?

I think you're on to something here. That was one of the thing that crossed my mind. But as you say, it does not explain why things happen differently while they're not neccessarily safer. Are there others except for me and 9x23 that have this?

@Sky: I think your "silly" question is a very valid one @Hopalong & dajarrel: you give some very good and logic insights. I understand that recoil and actual shooting is different from dry fire, but what surprizes me is that everything I do that does not involve actual shooting, on the range, feels different. If I take my gun out of the bag, it feels different. If I warm up with some dry fire before shooting, it feels different. Isn't it weird that I can do, on demand, 100 .7 draws at a 7 yd target at home, and miss my grip 5 times in a row on the range?

Yes, I always use dummies.

Good job Sam! Sound like a very cool match.

As you might know, I dry fire a lot. I noticed that on the range, whether it's dryfiring on the range or standing on line, handling the gun "feels" different. Different from what I feel when I'm doing dry fire excercises. It's like my gun is "sticky". I screw up my grip on the draw often in live fire. My reloads are less fast. E.g. I did a couple of sub 2 second draw-shot-reload-shot-drills in dry fire, and can also do .75 draws at 7 yd targets on demand. This is all dry fire. Now, on the range, I can't do this. There is a noticable difference between my gun handling speed on and off the range. I cannot figure out if this is a mental or a physical thing. I must admit that over here ranges can be chilly and my hands tend to get cold. That might have something to do with it. I like to get some pointers here, as I feel that once live fire and dry fire feels the same to me, I'll be able to uplift my skills dramatically. Anyone?

McOliver, wow, nice pic! Is the gun in the same price range as the Limited Custom HC?

I think we have a big talent here! Ah, now THAT's a winning attitude

Happy Birthday Arvid!

@Carmoney: Shred, maybe there is just so much you can do to prepare for the SC, and maybe Sakai just does all he can do, but what Carmoney wrote kind of reflects what I mean, LOL.

Hm, I beg to differ. I have no doubt that he is a very committed man. But training in your homeland with one gun and moving to the US to train a few weeks with another? He has to learn a new trigger, different recoil impulse different weight of gun to transition etc. I think he'd do even better when you enable him to train all year with his match gun.

That is smokin'!!!! I got to 7633.