Dr. Phil

Hey Barry! A P9! Boy do I remember your P9 from Central Club!

ditto all of the above. But since the mid 80s.

I think that this as everything boils down to You gotta do the work. Nothing is really free. Somebody did the work. Do the work. BTW both hands to the same side seems to me to be a great way to sweep the support hand on the draw. Also seems rather cumbersome and awkward. But maybe that's just me.

Well, yes, maximizing time was what I was suggesting. Many of us work. Many work 2 jobs, have families, hobbies, etc. The Turret is a 30 second caliber switch, Tool head, shell holder, and go. Tool heads that are set up are quick and do need to be adjusted. I have several progressive machines for different calibers and most take some adjustment from time to time. Not so with the Turret. I expect you would know this as you have a Turret (or had). Hope you find the answer. Luck

My Turret is from 1983 or thereabouts. I feed primers 1 at a time. I still get around 200/hr. But you probably crave the 1040, so why not?

Why not just use the Lee Turret? 200/hr will get your 2500/year done easily. Load faster with the primer feeder on the newer model. Then there should be no nasty wife face. No need for new press when you have it right there.

I will try. 1 I lift the gun, looking through the sights at the single plate at 20 yards. Or at the large plate at 50. Or the, well, hopefully you get it... 2 I see the sights and the dot. 3 I press the trigger. Yeesh. It ain't rocket science. I do love the way you somehow know what I can't do though. That's refreshing. What some call impossible, others, through trial and testing call intuitive.

You might want to listen closely to Bosshoss. He is very very good and very very detailed in his action jobs. He has done wonders for some of my guns, including an old modified 586 to 7 shots that was never done correctly about 15 years before. He fixed it! He is lower priced than many. No disrespect to anybody else! He is well worth the look-see. IMHO

I actually shoot a laser just like a dot. For multiple targets the dot is there, and so is the laser dot. One difference being the gun position. With a laser it really doesn't matter. Unless you are Taren Butler or John Wick! The whole EDC thing is the difference I think. I am thinking more of the draw stroke/shot being nearly simultaneous. Maybe not but that's how it looks to me. I see the laser as another tool in the box; irons are great for people with young (usually) and good (often) vision, depending on how their focus ability is. Dots are great for what they are capable of (the line of sight factor, quickness of acquisition, speed of target definition, etc.) But I remember when the red dots first came out, the number of "I never will!" people I heard at matches. I was on the dot side early then too. Now most of my fun guns and match guns have dots. They are also a great training tool for newer shooters. Lasers are a tool. No more, no less. They, too, are a great training tool for newer shooters giving instant feedback to things like punching the trigger, grip problems, etc. Like many of the same type questions from people here on the forum. I try to see what can/will help shorten the learning curve. I don't believe in one and only one tool for every job. We don't use a hammer to tighten screws, usually, or a chainsaw to cut the lawn. I am on the side of whatever I can use/learn to aid my shooting at my speed. The matches I mention are for carry guns in real-world setups, when I host fellow shooters on my home range. We often shoot 1 night a week all summer and early fall. Many people have never tried or wanted to try club matches. They mostly just want to learn the safety and have a chance to try shooting stages and such without a lot of pressure or expense. I use the news reports of shootings in real life and make stages that simulate them. A better way I feel than getting shot at in real life. I am always surprised when I ask people how often they shoot their carry guns the number who say, "Well, hardly ever." Thank you for the discussion.

Okay, I will break my personal rule #2 and reply. I will try to be as mature as that guy that is so hungry for the last word that he calls another person's opinion ":a three year old". Very mature. You say you are not interested in my "story about experiences or trust me", yet you say you want a "discussion" about what does and does not work. So you want what you don't want? Yeah. I have used lasers for about 16 years on and off. I have shot them at matches on moving, still, hidden behind 'no shoots' and about every other way to place targets. They work. For me. BTW if you can't see your laser in some conditions or ranges, try green. If you can look over, under or around cover, you can stay under cover and aim with the laser and still hit without revealing your person. It works. Moving targets are easier to hit because the laser gives a real time exact placement on target. Laser are tough for some to "hold still", not impossible. Like any other sight. The "dead battery" thing is silly. We replace batteries all the time. Several of my laser batteries I have replace after 5 years. Not because they were dead, but because it had been 5 years. I have tested laser continuously for the last 16 or so years because if you are going to carry it, it has to work 100%, like and other carry item. I never said that it was the only sight platform to use or that I use. The O.P. question was "What do you use on your EDC?" I would think that a person who wants a "discussion" might find better ways to incite one other than insults and cheap name calling. Shame on you. If you want to use a laser, fine. If you do not, don't. I could really care less. You and I will never meet. Fine with me. You continue to bully people via the internet, and I will continue to try to answer some questions via this forum. I am still learning too. Like I have learned this valuable lesson. The reason I was out was actually to try to give you the last word, but, I really don't like bullies. So now you get the last word here. Rule # 2: Never argue with an idiot. (Websters used to define 'idiot' as "someone who can't be reasoned with".) The 3-year-old now relinquishes the floor to the California delegate.

FWIW my laser guns have big dot night sights also. I guess your many years of testing has discovered much different results than mine. I'm out

I am running a 13lb Glockstore spring on a tungsten guide rod. My loads run in the 128 - 130 range. I have gone as low as 10 lb. but it sometimes doesn't go into battery consistently.

I have seen that advantage in lots of situations from shooting in a dark room, nearly dark and with the light in your eyes, to awkward shooting positions which don't allow a full or even partial field of view of the sights. The advantage is real, just as the dot advantage is real. I don't like the laser so much at 50 yards, but the laser works at that range if it is the right laser. Yes the laser is an option on PCC. I have seen Pcc guns with a light, laser, dot, scope and stand off sights. All have their place. The question was "what do I prefer on my EDC?" Laser. Proven over and over. FWIW, at a Halloween dark match near home, I finished a stage with a flashlight and a mover at the end, 15 yards, 25 fut run, going past windows and doors and had 6 shots in the X. Almost nobody else had 2 in the down 0. One of the other shooters looked at it and said, "Well, the laser is an unfair advantage." I don't use it for steel challenge. But real time /real life? Laser. Exactly.

A single stage is nice for small lots of ammo. It is also great for depriming before loading on a progressive. Keeps a lot of junk out of the press. I use mine sometimes for swaging primer pockets and sometimes even load rifle on it. RCBS JR. that I got for Christmas in 1977! I also use a Lee Turret for 100 - 200 round lots of "sometimes" ammo; 44 Mag, 357 Mag, 38 Spec. and such. Can't go wrong with a single stage!

I mounted the 4 tube case feeder from one of my Lee Pro 1000 presses on my LNL in place of the motorized unit. Never could stand all that noise over my head!. They hold 100 cases and turn to feed 25 at a time. No motor. Gravity feed and works like a charm!

You might get some info by measuring a factory round and see what they crimp to. Different cases might be slightly different thickness nut it will give a place to start. You can also put a loaded factory round in your (backed off) die and adjust to those specs for crimp and COL.

I may be the bad dog but I prefer a grip laser. Barring that I have some with irons and a small trigger guard laser. No you can't back-track a laser which I have heard claimed. Lasers are considered an "un-fair" advantage so they are not allowed at most matches. They are far superior in many instances. Try hiding behind and shooting around cover with your red dot or irons. I have many guns with dots and they are great. Some with irons. But the laser beats them all.

Lots of people don't remember the 70s but before there was ballistic gel, we tested bullets in wet newspaper. Similar results. And free! Welcome to the forum.

I wonder how much it will factor in to reloading if the "chat" is correct about our names and personal info will be reported upon buying ammo? Seems it would be a very hard sell to track reloaded ammo from my basement.

I have a couple Auto drums. I really like the fine adjustability. The regular discs are .3 grains. Some loads require a finer adjustment. These Auto drums are perfect for that. Low cost and reliable.

I agree completely with the notion that complaining about "time" in reloading is kind of useless. I talk to people all the time that binge-watch TV or spend time imbibing to relax. Reloading is relaxing for me. The other stuff we do wastes more time than reloading, IMHO. Seems like a person could find an hour here and there, especially in winter when the matches die down? For years I have gone into the start of shooting season (mid January some years) with 4-5K loaded. I retired several years ago and like many seem to be busier now! I go reload for an hour or so and I don't push the total. I load 5-6oo and call it good. For the first 3 or so years after retiring I loaded an hour or so a day and shot 6 days a week. I think there are some factors I haven't seen noted yet. Many of us know somebody who casts. The guy I have bought an automated casting machine. He makes something around 2K/hr. He powder coats which cuts down on the "smoke". He charges his "friends and family" $50/K. There are cheaper alternatives out there. Probably somebody out there you know who can cast practice bullets on the cheap? Yes, it is worth it to reload. From 100PF Steel Challenge loads to 135PF Uspsa to the "extra powder 44 Mag loads so I can win the annual "muzzle flash" competition at the Halloween Shoot. Light rifle loads to teach the kids to shoot or super accurate target loads. That doesn't all come from Wally World. I stock up on primer and powder when the prices come back down. I have seen this craze before and will again so I try to be ready. YMMV

If you care to try one I can send you a new one. PM me your address and I will get it in the mail today.

I believe it is due to the polymer aspect. They do not work on magnetic moon clip holders! Also, if one is dropped and/or stepped on, they can sometimes dislodge a bullet. Not always. However they don't bend like the steel ones that the ROs like to step on. Accidentally! I use them for practice because they are so easy to load/unload and I see no sense in wearing out my competition clips. I have put over 30K rounds through some of mine and they still hold well.

If this is for practice - as it seems to be, you might want to check out RIMZ moon clips. They are polymer. I had my first set last well over 30K rounds. Check their website and see if available for the 627. Load and unload with fingers.

Happy Thanksgiving! I am very thankful for this forum,