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I have noticed the last few years that they are in such a hurry that they don't leave much time for picking up the brass. Main reason I like the moon clips! The RO do try hard to not step on the moons though.

Not there. I did them at my range on the fun shoot nights. I had a bunch of newer or not experienced shooters who came 1 night a week. I set up really simple stages and everybody shot through a few times. They learned a little about competition and a lot about how good they were - or not. Also found out a lot about their guns. A few went on to get way better and compete. I have seen some hinge plates go down so hard that they pop back up!

Droppers are cool. The reset takes awhile if very many. PSA has a whole stage (30ish) with some really quick times! A guy in our squad in 2011 I believe, did it in 11 odd seconds with a stock auto! 10 rounds per mag! Yeesh. For a stop plate when we do man-on-man (a personal fave!) I made a double popper, turned in just a bit. The bottom popper wins!

I use the Lee factory crimp die actually. I also use the Lee U die to decap and resize. The sliders I made for my home range were angle with a bolt welded in the v on the back and a u shaped hanger welded to the plate. The bolt is just long enough to hang the target on. My plates were smaller than Palmyra targets, maybe 9 x 7. I made sets of 10 of the sliders and poppers and have 1 8" 6 plate rack and a 6 plate 6" rack. Some 20 years later, 3 Texas stars, a polish plate rack, a .22 6 plate star and a just finished 8 target star. This practice stuff is sure fun!

I 9mm taper crimp everything up to 357 mag. I think that my crimp was .376 last time I checked it. I use the same setup/ crimp for my .355 9mm loads and my .3575 9mm/929 loads. I don't change the setup, just different bullets. No bullet creep in the revolver at all. I load 96, 105, 125, 135, 147 and some 155gr. Mostly now 125 and 135. This same club used to do a rimfire match in the fall with stages of 70 or 75 targets, scaled to .22 and a par time of 90 seconds. Those were similar targets as the centerfire match but scaled to .22. Some targets about 10 or 12 years ago were around 1 1/2". Later they were a bit bigger, I guess to speed up the hit rates.

One thing that people like about Blue Mt is the Auto class that's unlimited! My buddies shoot that. One of the ROs told me a couple years ago that I could do something he couldn't. I asked what was that? He said, "You can count to 8!" I shot PCC at PSA a couple years ago. Haven't shot open auto in 10 years or so now. Good luck and hope to see you there.

I am shooting Friday afternoon so probably will meet. For my loads with a 38 special I cut down cases to .900. I am shooting 4.3 of Win 231 and a 135 gr bullet. Lots of people do and lots of people sneer at it but I find the loading more efficient at that length. Loading is probably quicker, but I doubt it would prove to be any advantage. I was trying to simulate the 38 Super an easy way. Hope to see you there!! When are you guys there MikeyS?

For PSA Shootout I shoot 135 gr over 3.6 g of Win 231 in my 929. I get right around 130 pf. Their steel is usually not bad to knock down. By the 3rd day quite often sometimes you will see the taller stuff volunteer due to the changing adjustments over something like 500 shooters. Any 130 or thereabouts pf should do it. Most targets seem to run about 6 or 8 inches and the bigger stuff is set so a 38 moderate load will suffice. I know some who take heavier loads for the popper stage but I doubt it's necessary. Too, you can watch a few shooters on a stage and know where there are any tough to knockdown targets. When are you guys shooting?

I have found the on some of my guns a 5 1/2 lb trigger seems to induce short stroking. My TRR8 was always like that and my 929 as well. Guess I am one of those ride the trigger guys. I am much more comfortable at about 6 1/2. That pound less never seemed to win anything much for me anyway.

I do seat and crimp in 1. I left the last station empty. For me it seems easier to place the bullet in station 4. Just seems handier. Funny thing is to me that I bought the LNL to have access to a powder cop and now I don't need/use one.

anytime.

I used a Lee die. It was a powder through die. I run just the die and adjusted to bell the case what I needed. I run the same setup for my 9mm (.355 bullets) autos and for my 9mm (.3575 bullets) revolver so my flare might be a bit different than yours. Couple minute setup. Worth the try.

^Good thoughts. ^ I found things even going on between arrival/sign in and the pre-match pledge to the flag. I always did the above and then added things like; Do not gun-up in the parking lot, on the porch or on the way to the range. This is where the safety tables are. Do not take PCC out of case and put on cart except at safety table. No (mostly military) thigh holsters No (mostly military) loaded guns or snap caps Please no sight pictures from the porch to the long range targets on the hill! Etc. We should try to remember that many "newbies" have only ever shot out in the yard and have never competed, don't know the safety or competition rules and don't really understand how to handle a gun. You deserve much credit for being the MD! Good on you! Enjoy.

To back up a bit: The powder cop is what I go without. I use station 2 on my LNL to pre-bell the case mouth and adjusted the LNL powder measure to skip that. I think it makes the powder measure smoother that way. I can lean forward and see the powder in the case before I set the bullet. I check about every 5th to 10th round because the measure always works and I can hear/see the actuator flip every stroke of the handle.

Sorry to hear this. Might be a good thing though? A few years ago a good friend blew out his strong side shoulder. No shooting for several months. He started coming to matches shooting weak hand only. He got blown out as you might imagine! At the end of his healing, though, he could now shoot either hand, well, and completely ambidextrous! Maybe try the other hand for your shooting relaxation? Heal fast!

Hey Barry! A P9! Boy do I remember your P9 from Central Club!

ditto all of the above. But since the mid 80s.

I think that this as everything boils down to You gotta do the work. Nothing is really free. Somebody did the work. Do the work. BTW both hands to the same side seems to me to be a great way to sweep the support hand on the draw. Also seems rather cumbersome and awkward. But maybe that's just me.

Well, yes, maximizing time was what I was suggesting. Many of us work. Many work 2 jobs, have families, hobbies, etc. The Turret is a 30 second caliber switch, Tool head, shell holder, and go. Tool heads that are set up are quick and do need to be adjusted. I have several progressive machines for different calibers and most take some adjustment from time to time. Not so with the Turret. I expect you would know this as you have a Turret (or had). Hope you find the answer. Luck

My Turret is from 1983 or thereabouts. I feed primers 1 at a time. I still get around 200/hr. But you probably crave the 1040, so why not?

Why not just use the Lee Turret? 200/hr will get your 2500/year done easily. Load faster with the primer feeder on the newer model. Then there should be no nasty wife face. No need for new press when you have it right there.

I will try. 1 I lift the gun, looking through the sights at the single plate at 20 yards. Or at the large plate at 50. Or the, well, hopefully you get it... 2 I see the sights and the dot. 3 I press the trigger. Yeesh. It ain't rocket science. I do love the way you somehow know what I can't do though. That's refreshing. What some call impossible, others, through trial and testing call intuitive.

You might want to listen closely to Bosshoss. He is very very good and very very detailed in his action jobs. He has done wonders for some of my guns, including an old modified 586 to 7 shots that was never done correctly about 15 years before. He fixed it! He is lower priced than many. No disrespect to anybody else! He is well worth the look-see. IMHO

I actually shoot a laser just like a dot. For multiple targets the dot is there, and so is the laser dot. One difference being the gun position. With a laser it really doesn't matter. Unless you are Taren Butler or John Wick! The whole EDC thing is the difference I think. I am thinking more of the draw stroke/shot being nearly simultaneous. Maybe not but that's how it looks to me. I see the laser as another tool in the box; irons are great for people with young (usually) and good (often) vision, depending on how their focus ability is. Dots are great for what they are capable of (the line of sight factor, quickness of acquisition, speed of target definition, etc.) But I remember when the red dots first came out, the number of "I never will!" people I heard at matches. I was on the dot side early then too. Now most of my fun guns and match guns have dots. They are also a great training tool for newer shooters. Lasers are a tool. No more, no less. They, too, are a great training tool for newer shooters giving instant feedback to things like punching the trigger, grip problems, etc. Like many of the same type questions from people here on the forum. I try to see what can/will help shorten the learning curve. I don't believe in one and only one tool for every job. We don't use a hammer to tighten screws, usually, or a chainsaw to cut the lawn. I am on the side of whatever I can use/learn to aid my shooting at my speed. The matches I mention are for carry guns in real-world setups, when I host fellow shooters on my home range. We often shoot 1 night a week all summer and early fall. Many people have never tried or wanted to try club matches. They mostly just want to learn the safety and have a chance to try shooting stages and such without a lot of pressure or expense. I use the news reports of shootings in real life and make stages that simulate them. A better way I feel than getting shot at in real life. I am always surprised when I ask people how often they shoot their carry guns the number who say, "Well, hardly ever." Thank you for the discussion.

Okay, I will break my personal rule #2 and reply. I will try to be as mature as that guy that is so hungry for the last word that he calls another person's opinion ":a three year old". Very mature. You say you are not interested in my "story about experiences or trust me", yet you say you want a "discussion" about what does and does not work. So you want what you don't want? Yeah. I have used lasers for about 16 years on and off. I have shot them at matches on moving, still, hidden behind 'no shoots' and about every other way to place targets. They work. For me. BTW if you can't see your laser in some conditions or ranges, try green. If you can look over, under or around cover, you can stay under cover and aim with the laser and still hit without revealing your person. It works. Moving targets are easier to hit because the laser gives a real time exact placement on target. Laser are tough for some to "hold still", not impossible. Like any other sight. The "dead battery" thing is silly. We replace batteries all the time. Several of my laser batteries I have replace after 5 years. Not because they were dead, but because it had been 5 years. I have tested laser continuously for the last 16 or so years because if you are going to carry it, it has to work 100%, like and other carry item. I never said that it was the only sight platform to use or that I use. The O.P. question was "What do you use on your EDC?" I would think that a person who wants a "discussion" might find better ways to incite one other than insults and cheap name calling. Shame on you. If you want to use a laser, fine. If you do not, don't. I could really care less. You and I will never meet. Fine with me. You continue to bully people via the internet, and I will continue to try to answer some questions via this forum. I am still learning too. Like I have learned this valuable lesson. The reason I was out was actually to try to give you the last word, but, I really don't like bullies. So now you get the last word here. Rule # 2: Never argue with an idiot. (Websters used to define 'idiot' as "someone who can't be reasoned with".) The 3-year-old now relinquishes the floor to the California delegate.