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While I appreciate Taran's abilities, I'm sure the IDPA match staff will see nothing that they haven't seen from Rob Leatham, Dave Sevigny, Rob Haught, Earnest Langdon, or others. I don't believe Taran will have any issues with "Tactically Minded" SO's as long as he follows the IDPA rules and procedures. If he's coming into this match with NO prior IDPA experience, his fast times will be offset by procedurals. However, with Taran's experience, he most certainly has played the IDPA game somewhere and understands the rules.

It's perfectly legal according to IDPA HQ. My STI Eagle in .40S&W with bushing barrel has a wide non-extended dust cover and weighs in at 33oz.

Here in Ohio, other than the Circleville results, all local clubs post their matches on the various club web pages as Combined only. The ones who upload the results to the USPSA website are forced to break out the divisions as they should be. It's been very disappointing that most of the clubs here still do not follow USPSA guidelines in regards to scoring and listing local results correctly. It's along the same lines as the stages that require 40 rounds from one position. Oh well............................

I personally did not attend the match but have spoken with many people who did. Based on comments from those who attended , this match was not the well run match that we saw last year. There were a lot of "shooter traps" as well as non-experienced SO's. The DQ was very questionable. Based on Bob being DQ'ed more than an hour after the match indicates that the SO's WERE NOT checking competitor's equipment at the various stages. If one SO did check Bob's holster and did not find it illegal and allowed him to continue, then by all rights he should not have been DQ'ed, UNLESS that SO(s) was not qualified to work at a State Championship. In IDPA, doesn't the benefit of the doubt always go to the shooter?It was only after someone in the same division complained (Bob finished 2nd in ESP behind Ernest Langdon) that the action was taken. Sour grapes? This issue comes down to poor match management and non-experienced SO's. There should be some secondary SO classes available. The one day SO class we currently have are good for teaching the basic rule book but in no way prepares an individual to deal with all of the possible things that can happen during stage runs. USPSA RO classes are longer in length and before an individual can RO at a major match, they have to work as an Assistant RO at major matches under the supervision of an experienced RO. While in the RANT mode, is IDPA HQ and the President, ever going to be answerable to the membership? The current vs. new rule book issue needs to be resolved. While IDPA got off to a great start years ago, will issues such as the one at the Ohio State match, the new rule book fiasco, and the lack of response from HQ and the president, continue to erode at the membership? RANT mode off.

From everyone I've spoken with, the new rulebook will contain better clarifications of existing rules. I don't believe any of the gun criteria will change.

What's everyone's best times on a Cooper El Presidente (IDPA style) with a reload from concealment?

Vince: Any insight why USPSA allows tungsten guide rods? Although they are limited to adding no more than 2oz. to the pistol, it still seems to be a "gaming" advantage. This is similiar to allowing shooters to "cock" their pistols after the draw to achieve a single action first shot due to "compalints" that it was "just too difficult" to hit anything with a DA first shot. Does IPSC allow tungsten guide rods in Production?

Using a tungsten guiderod moves you over into Limited or Limited 10, unless of course, USPSA changed Production Rules again.

But almost every range where IDPA shoots declares their "muzzle safe" directions in terms of the 180, so in practice there is a 180 rule at most matches. In IDPA, the muzzle safe direction is a function of the design of that particular stage. I've shot major matches where the muzzle safe area was 270 degrees. USPSA rules do not apply to IDPA. Different sport, period.

There is no 180 Degree Rule in IDPA..................

In regards to the Para LDA, great gun BUT.......... due to the very long travel reset, it has not taken off very well in competition. Over in IDPA, hardly anyone uses them for that reason. Yes, the triggers can be made "smoother", but it still has to be let out almost completely for it to reset. Beretta's, Glocks, CZ's, etc., rule in SSP division in IDPA and Production division in USPSA, due to their short trigger reset.

The SVI Aluminum magwell measures just under 1.625" in width and fits nicely in the IDPA Box. Also, for what it's worth, the SVI International Box Rule basepads work great with no modifications. I tried Dawson's International Box Rule basepads and found that they would not allow the magazine to fully seat without removing material either from them or the magwell.

Duane, as usual, your comments are 100% correct. Too often here in the IDPA Forum do we see individuals trying to associate USPSA rules with IDPA rules. Its a different game, period. If one comes over from USPSA and doesn't like the rules because "they do it this way in USPSA", keep shooting USPSA.

If a certain sight isn't permitted in USPSA, just wait, they'll eventually change the rules.......

Does the S&W (610 I Believe) 10mm/.40S&W come with the cylinder cut for moon clips?

No, no one took any time off of Jerry Miculek's time. He really does shoot and reload that fast. As far as head and body shots go, IDPA does it no differently than USPSA, take for example the "Mozambique Drill". It's two the the body, one to the head. If you shoot the head 3 times you get two misses.

Let's send Joyce an e-mail on the subject as she did invite us to previously in this forum.

In regards to sandbagging, it's not just in IDPA, it also very predominate in USPSA. At many matches in our area, we would see a B class open shooter come up to a classifier, shoot it blazingly fast with good hits, and stop with one round left to fire, wait 3 seconds, and fire the last shot. No one ever said anything. Unfortunately, unless the organizations allow match directors to assign an on the spot classification when they see this kind of activity, it's not going to stop. In regards to shooting "heads up", not a good idea. We need classifications just as NHRA, BPA Bowling, and other activites do to provide persons of different skill levels a chance to compete against others at their skill level.

I agree, between a tactical reload and a reload with retention, the reload with retention is faster. In most courses fire, especially COF's with lots of movement, the slide lock reload is the fastest way to go.

Hi Tightloop: Here in our area, the atmosphere that I mentioned exists. It seemed to start about 2 years ago and has continued and grown ever since. However with that said, I sure that there are other area's of the country where USPSA matches gleen with the same friendly atmosphere that we see here in our IPDA matches. In shooting USPSA matches for 15 years, I can remember a better, more friendly environment. What happened? Who can say?

Right on the money! IDPA does not promote prize tables. If vendors wish to donate for publicity, great, if not, no big deal. If shooters wish to sandbag, no problem. If one is always winning SSP Novice class, they are the ones who have to deal with the embarrassment. We shoot because we enjoy shooting and are more interested in improving our shooting skills than in "buying advantages" to form an elitist competition group where everyone needs mags that hold 30 rounds.

In our area, IDPA shooters who go and try IPSC matches ususally never go back due to the elitist attitude purveyed by the competitors. We've seen it happen a lot. After shooting IPSC for more than 15 years, I thought I was used to it and ignored it. But after shooting only IPDA for a while and going back and shooting a couple of IPSC matches, the "attitudes" jumped right out and it was very clear as to the great atmosphere and comraderie to be had at an IDPA match vs. the "I've got mine, who cares if they have their's" attitudes at IPSC matches. Maybe this situation is different in other parts of the country, but in southwest Ohio, the IPSC matches have stages that are designed around pistols holding 21+ rounds in a mag. Many matches at one of the local clubs last year had stages requiring 30+ rounds from one position despite what the IPSC or USPSA rule book states. Let's face it, IDPA and IPSC are two different games with different rules just as SASS (Cowboy) shooting is different than the Steel Challenge. If you enjoy IPSC, great. If you shoot plates or pins, great. If you shoot IDPA, great. They are all shooting games. Play the one you enjoy!

It's the "Back-up Gun" division.

Dave Sevigny, Rob Haught, Ernest Langdon....These people suck? Hardly. I've seen Rob Haught shoot a Beretta and make it look like Todd Jarret shooting his Open Pistol. For all of those who say IDPA shooters are not of the same caliber as IPSC shooters, wake up. As most are aware, CDP Division was won this year by Ernest Langdon shooting a double action SIG, beating out Rob Leatham shooting his Springfield 1911. Don't get me wrong, Rob's my hero, but these IDPA guys can shoot fast AND accurately also.

In the southwest Ohio area, attendance at USPSA matches is down approx. 40%, while the IDPA matches continue to grow. At our local IDPA match, we have added another session to be able to accomodate the extra shooters.