I helped Ralph Arrendondo in getting out +3 for the .45, and they are pretty good. That last one is tight but reloadable. The 21 rounds in 9mm is great, especially for practice where you dont have to stop and load mags all the time (ok I have 30-40 mags, but still ). NHO has metal pads that go with his magwell, but I haven't seen them yet, and Barsto should have some stuff out soon. Irv said he was going to make his magwells so they would fit mags with Arrendondo's pads a couple weeks ago.