Absocold Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 Thank you for your email. We are in the process of setting up a new 9mm brass case manufacturing machine. We hope to have it online very soon. The new case will not have the step you observed in our current production. I sent an email to them saying their 9mm brass was unsuitable for high pressure reloading and I wouldn't be buying any more of their new ammo. Got the above reply. Nice to see them switching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miranda Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 I am sorta marveling at the thought that they have a case making machine... I clearly am not visiting the right stores to have missed that item for sale... joking aside, good to know. miranda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Open1215 Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 Thats great news! I have gotten several samples of the stepped brass, just put it in the " bunny fart for wife" brass pile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM83 Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 I put mine in the brass credit at xtreme pile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Open1215 Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 Lol I guess they got tired of getting it back ad scrap. Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slostang Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 I usually send my crimped military brass back on the xtreme program. Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slostang Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 But I still wouldn't load the "new" FM brass with a major load. Not worth the risk of getting an old style piece of brass by chance. I do however use it in my bunny fart IDPA loads without issues. Hell I even load Tula brass for my IDPA loads. Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 But I still wouldn't load the "new" FM brass with a major load. Not worth the risk of getting an old style piece of brass by chance. IF YOU INSPECT EACH CASE YOU WOULD CATCH IT EASILY.I do however use it in my bunny fart IDPA loads without issues. Hell I even load Tula brass for my IDPA loads.I USE TULA BRASS FOR 9MAJOR OVER AND OVER. Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slostang Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 But I still wouldn't load the "new" FM brass with a major load. Not worth the risk of getting an old style piece of brass by chance. IF YOU INSPECT EACH CASE YOU WOULD CATCH IT EASILY.I do however use it in my bunny fart IDPA loads without issues. Hell I even load Tula brass for my IDPA loads.I USE TULA BRASS FOR 9MAJOR OVER AND OVER. Lol Haven't had a Tula KB yet, but I have had one budge pretty bad with 128pf loads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nwhpfan Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 I shoot, reload, shoot again at minor PF with no problems. I get the same chrono results as other mixed brass. Not that I loved it but I didn't mind others thought it was no good and left it on the ground for me to find. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absocold Posted November 21, 2015 Author Share Posted November 21, 2015 Stepped brass isn't an issue if you're not shooting 9 major. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM83 Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 Stepped brass isn't an issue if you're not shooting 9 major. If the case separates in the chamber its going to be a rough match. 9mm is inexpensive enough that there's no need use it to save a few pennies. Just my opinion of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 I shoot, reload, shoot again at minor PF with no problems. I get the same chrono results as other mixed brass. Not that I loved it but I didn't mind others thought it was no good and left it on the ground for me to find. That's good to know. I have a thou or so I was going to throw away. Maybe I'll just put it in the classifieds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickRak2000 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Dumb question. What is stepped brass? Would you mind posting a photo? I'm not familiar with the term. Rick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
9x45 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 (edited) Freedom Munitions, AmmoLoad and IMT all use the same case. It can separate in the chamber and leave you with a dead gun. Why these newcomers would design a case with an obvious stress riser makes no sense. You don't see this in any other 9mm case maker, with good reason. Edited November 23, 2015 by 9x45 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miranda Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 anti bullet set back.... in itself a good idea, in practice causes bigger problems. miranda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
9x45 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Got that part, but for one time new only use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDA Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 anti bullet set back.... in itself a good idea, in practice causes bigger problems. miranda I don't think those ledges had anything to do with "anti bullet set back", I think it was purely a by product of their manufacturing technique. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickRak2000 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Thanks for the photo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miranda Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 anti bullet set back.... in itself a good idea, in practice causes bigger problems. miranda I don't think those ledges had anything to do with "anti bullet set back", I think it was purely a by product of their manufacturing technique. where to start? first... :-p pbbbbbbbbbbt second... I can well imagine the step is in there for no good reason at all. so yes I agree that is is quite possible for it to have nothing to do with anti bullet setback. I state it as a reason for the ledge because it is a reason. third... manufacturers often do things for reasons... one of my favorites is the one that goes along the lines, "this way is cheaper for us to make it" implying that any other way costs more money. as a follow up to the above you would be surprised at how often I hear "I didn't think it was a problem." That last one is not an actual reason... almost the opposite. It sounds suspiciously like the reason you gave... "it was purely a by product of their manufacturing technique." which means they didn't think about it. I'll give them credit for the anti setback... miranda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absocold Posted November 23, 2015 Author Share Posted November 23, 2015 I keep .22, .30 and .35 cal broken shell extractors in my range bag. Never needed them myself but at least a couple times a year someone at the range needs to borrow one. Don't buy them online, they're stupidly overpriced. Get .22 (5.56) and .30 (7.62) at an Army/Navy surplus store for pennies. Brownells has one for calibers larger than .30 cal but it's $125. I made the .35 cal extractor I have by bending open a .30 cal one a bit and then wedging a small piece of wood between the two halves. With pistols you have to remove the barrel and put the extractor in a vise, doing it the normal way risks breaking the extractor and/or ejector. Once you have all three you're set for just about anything. The only guns bigger than .35 I've ever seen with case head separation were all M2 .50 BMG's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miranda Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 good idea! any chance anyone makes a set of reverse pliers with extractor claws pointed outward? I recall seeing a set of snap ring pliers that might be made to work... miranda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkreutz Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 (edited) anti bullet set back.... in itself a good idea, in practice causes bigger problems. miranda I don't think those ledges had anything to do with "anti bullet set back", I think it was purely a by product of their manufacturing technique. where to start? first... :-p pbbbbbbbbbbt second... I can well imagine the step is in there for no good reason at all. so yes I agree that is is quite possible for it to have nothing to do with anti bullet setback. I state it as a reason for the ledge because it is a reason. third... manufacturers often do things for reasons... one of my favorites is the one that goes along the lines, "this way is cheaper for us to make it" implying that any other way costs more money. as a follow up to the above you would be surprised at how often I hear "I didn't think it was a problem." That last one is not an actual reason... almost the opposite. It sounds suspiciously like the reason you gave... "it was purely a by product of their manufacturing technique." which means they didn't think about it. I'll give them credit for the anti setback... miranda The step is too far down to be effective with bullet setback, if the bullet went that far with a normal ogive bullet, there would be a big piece of unsupported case at the mouth. (and probably cause feeding problems). I've never seen stepped cases with a Freedom headstamp, all the ones I see are Ammoload or IMT, I'm not convinced Freedom makes cases, I suspect they just reload what they get back on their credit program. I've never sent any brass in on that program. I reload the calibers I use, certain cases go into the recycle bucket (stepped included) and I give calibers I don't reload to friends. Edit: Added some pictures. I put a 124gr MG RN into a cross sectioned Ammoload case (I was curious on the construction, initially I thought it was 2 piece) and pushed it all the way to the step. Little to short for my liking and depending on the powder it could be a very compressed load. Edited November 23, 2015 by Bkreutz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 (edited) The case clearly says FM and guys who buy freedom munitions gets that brass. FM is real Edited November 23, 2015 by Sarge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkreutz Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 I've never bought any FM loaded ammo. Didn't mean to spread any rumors, just my observations. Sorry, I stand corrected. I really don't understand the "why" to the stepped brass either. Maybe the original idea was to strengthen that area of the case? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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