usp45ss Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 I've got a Saiga 12 lying around that I've been thinking of fixing up for a few local outlaw 3 gun matches. I've heard there are a lot of cool things coming out for the Saigas. What is out there in terms of mods and new parts? Has anybody worked out a more AR type mag release? I guess what I'm getting at is, what would be a few good mods/parts to add besides the usual pistol grip conversion and sights? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HS101 Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 I've got a Saiga 12 lying around that I've been thinking of fixing up for a few local outlaw 3 gun matches. I've heard there are a lot of cool things coming out for the Saigas. What is out there in terms of mods and new parts? Has anybody worked out a more AR type mag release? I guess what I'm getting at is, what would be a few good mods/parts to add besides the usual pistol grip conversion and sights? Check out Dreadnaught Industries I shot with them at Fort Benning 3 Gun and their Saiga's ran great! Search around their site and then email Alex with any questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ken hebert Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 (edited) http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=88830 http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=87077 Edited December 9, 2009 by ken hebert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakal Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 Jim over at Firebird has a really slick bottom metal assembly that takes a AR grip and converts the "front to back" mag match to a "side to side" catch. Uber-nifty, but spendy. I have two on a pair of S-12 that are in the prototype stages now, and intend to run them on short gas comp guns until a straight-in mag well system proves itself The cheap way to get a fair mag catch is to weld a piece of 1/2" bar stock to the lever, then run it back to the edge of the trigger guard and bend it out. Makes the catch work by "pushing" with the trigger finger, which also manages to get your booger hook off the bang switch Fred is experimenting with a new straight-in mag system that is different than anyone else's. JT's "second generation" straight-in mag well is the best of the ones in current production, IMO. There are some rip-offs of JT's design that suck, but stuff produced by that sort of folk usually do. For now, I prefer the standard rock and lock magazines (although I did open my receiver a bit and bevel the edges a bit). I can hit reloads as fast as Fred with his high-dollar super-trick straight-in mag prototype, and my gun is a lot cheaper His second generation design will probably make me switch, though Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack T Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 (edited) There is getting to be some pretty good stuff out there now. It has been a lot of fun working on a new platform and see what we could do with it. Between, Alex/Fred at Dreadnaught, Jim at Firebird, and myself at JT Engineering sold exclusively thru Carolina Shooters Supply, I think you can find some innovative, quality parts to build with. We all bounce ideas off of each other with customer satisfaction being our primary goal! Regards, Jack JT Engineering Edited December 9, 2009 by Jack T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aircooled6racer Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 Hello: What is amazing to me is that all these Saiga guys help each other out I bought a Saiga because of these guys that are inventing stuff that works great. They use each others products and even shoot together and talk shop. I think the Saiga will be the shotgun to beat very soon if not already. My hats off to Alex, Jack and Jim for there inovations Thanks, Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Q Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 Lots of great stuff in the near future from all of these good manufactures. We will have the new JT Engineering bolt on trigger guards made specifically for AR grips and new competition brakes in the next few weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPatterson Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 GoGun Area 1 sponsor & Venders Tent member Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug H. Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 (edited) Copied from my Dec. 2 Post: "http://store.carolinashooterssupply.com/servlet/StoreFront http://www.randrtargets.com/ http://www.tromix.com/ http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?...er=all&st=0 Lots of good info, good luck on your journey. Doug " By the way R&R already has a straight in Magwell with the release activated by the trigger finger, similar to an AR. Just got one installed on my Saiga and it is sweet! Mags are CNC milled for the mag catch slot so they are perfect. With the R&R trigger guard you can attach your favorite AR grip and the geometry for the grip, trigger, mag and release are very similar to a standard AR-15. Look over all your choices before you spend your cash and make the best decision for you. Edited December 9, 2009 by Doug H. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug H. Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 (edited) GoGun Area 1 sponsor & Venders Tent member That twister plug looks like the heat, I have to order one. [ Doug Edited December 9, 2009 by Doug H. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Q Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 GoGun Area 1 sponsor & Venders Tent member That twister plug looks like the heat, I have to order one. [ Doug I agree ETAC is another good company making great products at reasonable prices. The Twister Pucs keep your shotgun running longer between cleanings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug H. Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 GoGun Area 1 sponsor & Venders Tent member That twister plug looks like the heat, I have to order one. [ Doug I agree ETAC is another good company making great products at reasonable prices. The Twister Pucs keep your shotgun running longer between cleanings. I notice that there are 3 different Twister plugs, which do I want for normal Wally world loads and reduced recoil slugs? Doug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Q Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 The Standard one that is in the picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack T Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 What's up Shay? Ready to buy a Saiga? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bladewurk Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 Look over all your choices before you spend your cash and make the best decision for you. Hmm, well just ordered some more parts from R & R..maybe I just need another Saiga testbed Copied from my Dec. 2 Post:"http://store.carolinashooterssupply.com/servlet/StoreFront http://www.randrtargets.com/ http://www.tromix.com/ http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?...er=all&st=0 Lots of good info, good luck on your journey. Doug " By the way R&R already has a straight in Magwell with the release activated by the trigger finger, similar to an AR. Just got one installed on my Saiga and it is sweet! Mags are CNC milled for the mag catch slot so they are perfect. With the R&R trigger guard you can attach your favorite AR grip and the geometry for the grip, trigger, mag and release are very similar to a standard AR-15. Look over all your choices before you spend your cash and make the best decision for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bladewurk Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 Can't wait to see the new AR15 style safety at SHOT Look over all your choices before you spend your cash and make the best decision for you. Hmm, well just ordered some more parts from R & R..maybe I just need another Saiga testbed Copied from my Dec. 2 Post:"http://store.carolinashooterssupply.com/servlet/StoreFront http://www.randrtargets.com/ http://www.tromix.com/ http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?...er=all&st=0 Lots of good info, good luck on your journey. Doug " By the way R&R already has a straight in Magwell with the release activated by the trigger finger, similar to an AR. Just got one installed on my Saiga and it is sweet! Mags are CNC milled for the mag catch slot so they are perfect. With the R&R trigger guard you can attach your favorite AR grip and the geometry for the grip, trigger, mag and release are very similar to a standard AR-15. Look over all your choices before you spend your cash and make the best decision for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usp45ss Posted December 16, 2009 Author Share Posted December 16, 2009 Wow. I knew there was some cool stuff coming out, but there is a lot more already out than I thought. Guess I've got a little more reading to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R and R targets Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 I would like to clear up some of the confusion about the standard Saiga "Straight in Magwells". The "Straight in Magwell" magazine catch needs to fit into the side of the magazine not the back. If the catch is in the back, the front of the magazine needs to be in contact with the front of receiver before the magazine can be locked in place. This is why the magizine needs to be rocked to the rear. These various magwell styles work better than nothing, however there are some drawbacks. If the bottom of the magazine is pushed rearward it can cause a failure to feed. What it actually does is change the magazine angle which can cause the rounds to hit the bottom of the chamber. Because of how the magazine locks in, these magwells take some technique to master. As I mentioned before these magazine "guides" work fine, however I was not completely satisfied. I have just completed a production run of "true" straight in magwells with an intergrated magazine catch/release. The magazine catch holds the magazine in place from the side like modern weapons and illiminates the 1940s magazine catch. Now you do not have to spend so much time to familiarize yourself with the magwell/shotgun to load a magazine. It has a large tapered opening like a pistol magwell and the magazine release works just like an AR15. Now all you have to do is point the magazine at the opening and stuff it in. The saiga bolt does not need to be cut anymore for clearance to load with the action closed. This means a smoother transition over the next shell in the magazine and a smoother operating gun. Because the magazine to magwell clearance is small rearward pressure on the bottom of the magazine will not stop the gun. You can now monopod off the magazine for long range slug shots and not worry about gun failure. This magwell is currently being patented and that should tell you how well it works. See you at the SHOT SHOW - Booth # 13876 R and R targets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Q Posted December 20, 2009 Share Posted December 20, 2009 (edited) I would like to clear up some of the confusion about the standard Saiga "Straight in Magwells". The "Straight in Magwell" magazine catch needs to fit into the side of the magazine not the back. If the catch is in the back, the front of the magazine needs to be in contact with the front of receiver before the magazine can be locked in place. This is why the magizine needs to be rocked to the rear. These various magwell styles work better than nothing, however there are some drawbacks. If the bottom of the magazine is pushed rearward it can cause a failure to feed. What it actually does is change the magazine angle which can cause the rounds to hit the bottom of the chamber. Because of how the magazine locks in, these magwells take some technique to master. As I mentioned before these magazine "guides" work fine, however I was not completely satisfied. I have just completed a production run of "true" straight in magwells with an intergrated magazine catch/release. The magazine catch holds the magazine in place from the side like modern weapons and illiminates the 1940s magazine catch. Now you do not have to spend so much time to familiarize yourself with the magwell/shotgun to load a magazine. It has a large tapered opening like a pistol magwell and the magazine release works just like an AR15. Now all you have to do is point the magazine at the opening and stuff it in. The saiga bolt does not need to be cut anymore for clearance to load with the action closed. This means a smoother transition over the next shell in the magazine and a smoother operating gun. Because the magazine to magwell clearance is small rearward pressure on the bottom of the magazine will not stop the gun. You can now monopod off the magazine for long range slug shots and not worry about gun failure. This magwell is currently being patented and that should tell you how well it works. See you at the SHOT SHOW - Booth # 13876 R and R targets You must be referring to the other magwell you had sold. The JT Engineering magwell we have is a true straight in magwell that does not need to be "rocked to the rear" to lock into place. You also do not need to cut the bolt to insert it easily and you can not push the magazine rearward to cause a failure to feed. We have over 500 sold with Zero failures to feed and the mags lock in easily with very little modifying. It is a great product that is simple to install and use. http://store.carolinashooterssupply.com/se...es?sfs=4416bbd1 Edited December 22, 2009 by 00bullitt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GentlemanJim Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 If you want the latest and GREATEST Jack Alex and I ....have a pretty amazing rabbit up our sleeve Details will be leaking out soon Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aircooled6racer Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 Jim: Do I have the newest rabbit or the sleeve Thanks, Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ken hebert Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 mmmmmm..... NOPE. This should go way beyond light modded Saiga12. Guessing it will make mine a little obsolete too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aircooled6racer Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 Hello: Alex,Jim and Jack, you guys are what make this sport better for all of us Thanks, Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinistralRifleman Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 Jim's magwell arrives to me tomorrow, looking forward to trying it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinistralRifleman Posted December 25, 2009 Share Posted December 25, 2009 Installed the Firebird magwell on my new Saiga yesterday. I still need to weld an optic rail on and some other minor things before I start using this one and retire the old Saiga. Thus far it seems promising. http://www.cavalryarms.com/guns/firebird1.jpg http://www.cavalryarms.com/guns/firebird2.jpg http://www.cavalryarms.com/guns/firebird3.jpg http://www.cavalryarms.com/guns/firebird4.jpg http://www.cavalryarms.com/guns/firebird5.jpg It came with a slot machined for the mag catch on the left side so I switched it over because I am left handed. I can now use my trigger finger to release the mag, knock the old one out with the fresh mag and then rock and lock it in. Previously I was unable to knock the empty mag out with the fresh one because there isn't enough space between the trigger guard and mag catch on a converted saiga to get in and hit it with the fresh mag like you can with an AK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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