PistolPete Posted October 13, 2003 Share Posted October 13, 2003 Someone at my range said to resize my heavy loads after I load them so there isn't a bulge in them. I tried this tonight and must say the rounds seem that they will feed much easier. Has anyone bought an extra resizing and depriming die and removed the depriming tool to just resize the die and install it on the last station of a 650? Is this what the Lee die does automatically? I'm thinking this will make my ammo much more reliable. What are your thoughts on this? Thanks, Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old shooter Posted October 13, 2003 Share Posted October 13, 2003 Pete, What I think you have now, are bullets sized below normal size, and possibly not as snug in the cases. The brass won't compress and expand as much as the bullet. All in all, I think that this is something you should avoid........ Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhyrlik Posted October 13, 2003 Share Posted October 13, 2003 What bulge are you referring to? The one created by the bullet entering the case mouth, or the one at the base of the case. You shouldn't have a bulge on the base of the case if you resized the brass correctly. The bulge in the case neck area is normal because the sizer die almost always sizes tighter than factory specs for the brass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.Hayden Posted October 13, 2003 Share Posted October 13, 2003 There's a thread: 45acp Resizer, Any need for full length resizing It's 45 but it probably applies here too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunWhoreDer Posted October 13, 2003 Share Posted October 13, 2003 If you are loading straight wall which are mostly pistol cases, the sizing die in the last station is a great idea (Some of the Lee Crimp dies have a carbide sizer ring for that final resize)it will not losen the Crimp (cases grip on bullet). If loading bottle neck dies like 357 SIG or .223 running it tru a sizing die again at the last station would possible losen the grip the case neck has on the bullet (brass will spring back after sizing while lead/jacketed bullet won't. Hope this is clear. GunWhoreDer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhyrlik Posted October 14, 2003 Share Posted October 14, 2003 WHY size twice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunWhoreDer Posted October 14, 2003 Share Posted October 14, 2003 Your only resizing once, after that it's just fine tuning the cases outside dimensions. Uniformly smooths up the case after the rough treatment it just went tru by being belled\bullet seated\crimped. This action will probably cause the case to become brittle from being worked so much but I like knowing it will chamber smoothly without having to check each manually tru my case gauges. GunWhoreDer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhyrlik Posted October 14, 2003 Share Posted October 14, 2003 But you are altering the bullet diameter by doing so. Now you have an undersized bullet that may not shoot well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErikW Posted October 14, 2003 Share Posted October 14, 2003 Listen to old shooter and rhyrlik. Putting a loaded round through a resizing die is a collossally bad idea. Think of putting your ice cream cone through the cone making machine. Read this FAQ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry White Posted October 14, 2003 Share Posted October 14, 2003 Useing a lee FCD is just about the same thing. Larry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slughammer Posted October 14, 2003 Share Posted October 14, 2003 Useing a lee FCD is just about the same thing. Larry Just about the same thing, but not really. Better get a measureing instrument out and verify that. If the inner diameter of the dia is not larger than bullet diameter + 2x the case thickness, then you're swaging your projectile smaller. Nobody wants a smaller projectile! Nobody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry White Posted October 14, 2003 Share Posted October 14, 2003 Slughammer, lee FCD= lee factory crimp die, crimps and has a carbide resizeing ring to restore reloaded round to factory standards, no undersized bullets, just a as close to perfect reload as you can get. Larry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slughammer Posted October 14, 2003 Share Posted October 14, 2003 Slughammer, lee FCD= lee factory crimp die, crimps and has a carbide resizeing ring to restore reloaded round to factory standards Right. But it still needs to be bigger than a size die. Get the calipers out and compare the ID of the carbide rings. The Lee FCD should have a larger ID. If it was the same size, it would be crushing the bullet. Bullet pull, setback and kabooms would be very common results. The normal station #1 size die is not "just about" a substitute. Measurement is required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunWhoreDer Posted October 14, 2003 Share Posted October 14, 2003 Some of you did not read my post closely enough. The carbide ring is only sizing most of the cases body, not the tip which is tapered. Hence no harm to the bullet gripping area. If you try running bottle neck cases tru a resizing die you will loosen the grip on the case, this is why the lee die only has a ring and not the whole bottle neck shape to it's cripmer/finish sizer. Uniforming the case afterall other steps is a very good idea if your press can hold enough dies. GunWhoreDer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detlef Posted October 14, 2003 Share Posted October 14, 2003 no, it's an absolutely horrible idea that only someone who has never done it could possibly advocate. That's why resizing is done on station 1. Most resizing dies will actually undersize the case, and that is what keeps a 45 or 40 handgun bullet solidly in the case (not a crimp!). --Detlef Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old shooter Posted October 15, 2003 Share Posted October 15, 2003 I went out to my reloading room and tried to size a 38spl case with a .358 lead bullet (It happened to be in my rcbs press). Maybe I am not getting it, but my sizer squashed the case. There just wasn't enough room for the case and bullet to fit in the sizing die. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L9X25 Posted October 15, 2003 Share Posted October 15, 2003 While I agreed with the majority of the opinions that believe resizing a loaded case with a standard resize die is not a good thing to do, I decided to do one just for the sake of argument. It transformed a perfectly good 115gr fmj bullet, that was previously .355 in diameter, into a .350 bullet. I don't really think that we need additional experimentation to prove that a .350 bullet in a .355-.356 barrel is a really bad idea. I guess we are back to "forgetaboutit" Leo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhyrlik Posted October 15, 2003 Share Posted October 15, 2003 Sizing a loaded round in a Lee FCD will also reduce the diameter of the bullet, just not as much. Any reduction in bullet diameter is bad, however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detlef Posted October 15, 2003 Share Posted October 15, 2003 dead horse. Probably time to lock this topic before someone claims it increases his accuracy... --Detlef Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted October 15, 2003 Share Posted October 15, 2003 I'll lock it. If anyone has a good reason to open it back up...send me a message and talk me into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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