sgtis108 Posted November 24, 2008 Share Posted November 24, 2008 I shot my brand new Steelmaster today. I picked it up Thursday, and cleaned it that night. I noticed a few brass shavings in the bottom end. I took it to the range today and put FP 10 on all the appropriate parts before I began. The 3rd round I got a stove pipe. No biggy..... I know it needs to break in. I was using the mag that came with the gun. I continued and so did the stove pipes. I switched mags to my SV super mags. The stove pipes continued. On average about 1 in 20. When I got home and got it apart, there were brass shavings everywhere. The disconnector rail was yellow. I also noticed that when I cleared the stove pipe, the next round in the mag came out with it. I have my thoughts, but what are yours? Daniel Keith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgtis108 Posted November 24, 2008 Author Share Posted November 24, 2008 I forgot to add. I was shooting factory Win ammo. I just went back and looked at the brass, there are no marks or scratches. Daniel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GentlemanJim Posted November 24, 2008 Share Posted November 24, 2008 Check the primers I have seen brass flow back into the firing pin hole. then get sheared off This leaves lots of small particles of brass floating around Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgtis108 Posted November 24, 2008 Author Share Posted November 24, 2008 I checked the brass and a few of them did flow. What is causing that? They are standard Win. Not +P. I've seen this in one of my supers from pressure. Never from a factory 9mm. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-ManBart Posted November 24, 2008 Share Posted November 24, 2008 Sounds like an extractor issue. The extractor is losing tension as the case moves backwards, it can't eject it properly because it doesn't have the extractor tension to pivot on and it's starting to strip the next round when the slide closes on the empty. I'd take a couple of those empties, feed them into the chamber and slowly pull the slide back while trying to watch the extractor and rim combo to see what's going on. It might just be a little more extractor tension will fix the problem. Then again, it might be time for an AFTEC and having someone tune it for the proper strike point....I'm certainly no 9mm Open gun expert, but I do listen when they're talking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSMITH Posted November 24, 2008 Share Posted November 24, 2008 Stovepipe=fired case sticking out of ejection port with slide closed on it. Is that what you are having or are the live rounds going vertical and locking the gun up? Look closely at the fired brass, it will tell you where the shavings are coming from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgtis108 Posted November 24, 2008 Author Share Posted November 24, 2008 Fired case sticking out of the ejection port, with the slide closed on it. Live round in the chamber. I've looked at the brass it and I can narrow it down to the Win silver tip HP 115gr. I wonder if I'm having set back. The primers on that brass all seem to have a lot of flow. I think I have a week extractor. Do I contact STI? I bought it from Dawson. I've never had a new open gun. If it were a used gun I put an AFTEC in and not look back. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaxshooter Posted November 24, 2008 Share Posted November 24, 2008 That was also a typical problem with the Stinger. The Steel Master is the same gun with some slide cuts and a 9mm barrel. I changed the extractor on my Stinger to an Aftec and adjusted the ejection angle so the brass did not hit the scope mount and eliminated the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Action Pistolero Posted November 25, 2008 Share Posted November 25, 2008 Do this simple test. Remove the top end. Remove guide rod. Slide barrel forward like you are removing it from the slide. Take a loaded round and position under the extractor. If it falls out the the extractor needs more tension. If it stays then slide the barrel back to the breech face. Slide the barrel up in to the locking lugs. Then carefully move the barrel back down and move it forward. If the round stays put then the extractor is okay. Kevin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgtis108 Posted November 25, 2008 Author Share Posted November 25, 2008 Do this simple test.Remove the top end. Remove guide rod. Slide barrel forward like you are removing it from the slide. Take a loaded round and position under the extractor. If it falls out the the extractor needs more tension. If it stays then slide the barrel back to the breech face. Slide the barrel up in to the locking lugs. Then carefully move the barrel back down and move it forward. If the round stays put then the extractor is okay. Kevin Passed the test, but noticed somthing. The back of the case doesn't touch the breech face. As a matter of fact there is about .03 gap between the the breech face and the head stamp. That should explain the primer flow, and everything else. Now do I fix this or send it back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSMITH Posted November 25, 2008 Share Posted November 25, 2008 Send it back, that should have been caught when it was built. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uscbigdawg Posted November 25, 2008 Share Posted November 25, 2008 I'd send it back to Dawson as they're better than most at fixing the problem. Rich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-ManBart Posted November 25, 2008 Share Posted November 25, 2008 Send it back, that should have been caught when it was built. Yeah, that's certainly not worth messing with....at least STI is pretty good about making things right. R, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralChang Posted November 25, 2008 Share Posted November 25, 2008 Send it to Dawson or David Cupp at STI. Either will do a fantastic job in making things right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgtis108 Posted November 25, 2008 Author Share Posted November 25, 2008 Thanks guys. I'll call Dave in the morning and get some direction from there. Thanks again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Action Pistolero Posted November 25, 2008 Share Posted November 25, 2008 Since it's a new gun, I would send it back. See what Dave has to say. Obviously, it's an improperly fit extractor. Does it move back and forth in the tunnel with the firing pin stop installed? Any movement at all could cause your problem. The firing pin stop could have been fit loose or the slot that the f/p stop fits in the extractor had material removed at the wrong end allowing the extractor to sit too far forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgtis108 Posted November 25, 2008 Author Share Posted November 25, 2008 The FP stop is tight, there is no movement. The extractor is just to long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Focus Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 Let us know what they say, and if that does fix the issue. If you're having stove pipes it could be your mags in that gun. Are they mags you built or custom mags you bought from a well known builder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgtis108 Posted December 2, 2008 Author Share Posted December 2, 2008 SV mags, tuned by a pro. Once I saw the problem, It was a no brainer. I've ordered an AFETEC to replace the bad factory part. It cost more for me to ship the gun than to buy the new extractor. I was a little disappointed that I was expected to pay for the shipping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wide45 Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 (edited) Passed the test, but noticed somthing. The back of the case doesn't touch the breech face. As a matter of fact there is about .03 gap between the the breech face and the head stamp. Nothing wrong with that. I've never seen an extractor that held the case tight against the breachface. If there is still a space when the barrel is locked up, then you have a problem. Edited December 3, 2008 by wide45 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgtis108 Posted December 3, 2008 Author Share Posted December 3, 2008 While going over the issue with STI they agreed that the gap was to large. While in battery the extractor will move forward along the side of the case and the case should be against the breechface. I'll try the AFTEC and if that isn't the issue I'll be back to the drawing board. On the upside, every time I have a problem I get to learn somthing new! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Abrahams Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 By any chance did you get the "tune up" package that Dawson offers? if so i would argue the shipping charge. if it is a gun issue and not ammo or mag problem then the gun should have never been shipped out in the first place. Dawson Precision is a great company with excellent customer service. they have always paid my shipping fee when "defective" items needed to be sent back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgtis108 Posted December 3, 2008 Author Share Posted December 3, 2008 No tune up package. It was still in the plastic when I got it. Dawson was just the middle man. Daniel Keith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgtis108 Posted December 11, 2008 Author Share Posted December 11, 2008 Got the AFTEC in. I still had some malfunctions but they where different. The brass was backward in the ejection port. My conclusion was that the brass ejects and bounces off the mount back into the ejection port. I tuned the ejector, moving the contact point up the face, and Presto! 400 rds 100% so far. Thanks for the help guys. Daniel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KGentry Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 I love STI and use most of their parts! However, it is still a factory pistol that needs tuning - it is what keeps to the gunsmiths in business!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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