VegasOPM Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 It ain't cheating if you don't get caught? I don't think that is our game. That isn't what I meant at all. An unenforceable rule is a waste of ink and time was my point. I guess that it is destined for my Limited gun- or I'll just use it for IDPA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woody Allen Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 (edited) [ Charlie Vanek. Bought from him. Talked at length-he will tell you the history of his work with Glocks-met him at the Nationals-customer service and product like no other. Edited December 14, 2008 by Woody Allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Anderson Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 It ain't cheating if you don't get caught? I don't think that is our game. +1. Why doesn't someone from Glockworks contact John Amadon and get official rulings on each of their triggers and post it here on the forums, as opposed to using a "don't ask don't tell" cheating policy. I emailed John yesterday. He has already written up and opinion and forwarded it to the BOD for review. Should have an answer sometime in the future. I think the BOD has to meet to decide, or at least hold an email vote. Both will take a bit of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EkuJustice Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 Pretty much any rule forbiding internal work is going to be pretty much uneforceable. Are they going to fully strip every gun at every match to make sure there is nothing "hidden"inside the gun. From a time perspective that would take forever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bofe954 Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 Pretty much any rule forbiding internal work is going to be pretty much unenforceable. Are they going to fully strip every gun at every match to make sure there is nothing "hidden"inside the gun. From a time perspective that would take forever I think you'd just have to check the winners' guns at big matches, say top 3 class winners. Everyone else is pretty much shooting for fun anyway. Most people would rather practice with what they are going to use at a big match, so I doubt you'd have many people swapping out internals for area and national level matches. You might have a few sharks who shoot local matches with illegal stuff but, big deal. Same deal as chrono. Now whether or not you could get someone who knew what factory guts of every gun used in production looked like, I don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micah Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 I emailed John yesterday. He has already written up and opinion and forwarded it to the BOD for review. Should have an answer sometime in the future. I think the BOD has to meet to decide, or at least hold an email vote. Both will take a bit of time. That is an important and responsible move. Thank you Lawman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Posted December 15, 2008 Share Posted December 15, 2008 In John's response to me, he indicated he was going to ask for a 3# minimum trigger pull. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Anderson Posted December 15, 2008 Share Posted December 15, 2008 That was a suggestion for the 2008 rule book and it was shot down in flames. Very few Production shooters want a minimum trigger pull. The new rules are, if Amidon's opinion is the final decision, retarded. You can swap slides, mill in Bo-Mars, checker the front strap, stipple the grip and nickel plate it for that extra pimp look, but you can't do a proper trigger job? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitefish Posted December 15, 2008 Share Posted December 15, 2008 That was a suggestion for the 2008 rule book and it was shot down in flames. Very few Production shooters want a minimum trigger pull. The new rules are, if Amidon's opinion is the final decision, retarded. You can swap slides, mill in Bo-Mars, checker the front strap, stipple the grip and nickel plate it for that extra pimp look, but you can't do a proper trigger job? I agree, although I can think of a much stronger word than retarded, but that will fit the bill. I do wonder why it is that Amidon and the BOD always seem to come up with these rulings after hundreds or even thousand of shooters have shelled out good money for drop-in trigger kits that were entirely legal at the time they were installed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warpspeed Posted December 15, 2008 Share Posted December 15, 2008 It ain't cheating if you don't get caught? I don't think that is our game. +1. Why doesn't someone from Glockworks contact John Amadon and get official rulings on each of their triggers and post it here on the forums, as opposed to using a "don't ask don't tell" cheating policy. I missed the post where someone from Glockworx suggested a " don't ask don't tell " cheating policy. In fact, I can't find a single post where they say use it in Production. Can you get me a link ? Thanks in advance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yar1180 Posted December 19, 2008 Share Posted December 19, 2008 It was our understanding that the GW standard trigger was production legal, and idpa ssp legal. I shoot regularly with Mike Voigt and he saw no reason why the standard trigger would not be production legal there are no visible external modifications. I have no problem sending a trigger to John Amadon for his ruling. the fulcrum trigger we know will not be legal in production and have never advertised it as such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Anderson Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 I just got my Fulcrum Trigger kit yesterday. Took about 30 minutes to install, but most of that was bending the trigger bar because the slide/frame fit was tightened. Install was very simple and intuitive. Trigger feels great. I'll have to wait a bit to test fire it since we're under several inches of snow. (Which for us Valley Oregonians is alot). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fpgb1 Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 I talked with Ray at Glockworx yesterday and he was more than helpful with information about their triggers. I ordered the fulcrum and will be shooting it this weekend, more to follow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the duck of death Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 Does that mean that NO trigger work is allowed since trigger work is not listed in authorized modifications? WOW!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micah Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 Does that mean that NO trigger work is allowed since trigger work is not listed in authorized modifications?WOW!!!! For that discussion, go HERE (LINKY) and grab a Snickers bar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fidel Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 I've shot Vanek in the past. I really like the glockworx though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yuthh Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 One word and one word only VANEKSuper Trigger +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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