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  1. I agree. The rule should be clarified and this should be a DQ. NROI we are here not to parse the rules to DQ shooters. It isn't a game. As a new RO and a new shooter (you are both), were your actions pushing the DQ at the Indiana Sectional warranted? You didn't push-you shoved and shoved and shoved to DQ the shooter. You were wrong. Dead wrong. Law student or not-you impacted others in an adverse way. NROI is not a license to look for creative ways to DQ shooters. Shame on you!!!
  2. The lyrics. It is a song about DEVOTION. "A full commitment's what I'm thinking of...." USPSA/IPSC does not lead to a career. No $$$ in. Not enough to even cover your expenses. An irrational devotion. It takes a devoted (some say irrationally obsessed)Indian and a sufficient resources (Arrows).
  3. Ya know, youse guys really haven't got a clue. For a clue, view the following:
  4. The "upper A zone" represents the cranio-ocular cavity, i.e., I shot'em in the brain. Oops that sure ain't PC. Headless targets. No way, no how, no chance, will headless targets make any difference in this country if one is trying to increase the "acceptance" factor of action shooting. Let us take away all/sever/remove/sanitize all aspects of the origin of this activity--to gain what?? I got it. A new "rule" that no guns capable or could be practically used in self-defense or violent conflict are allowed in USPSA. USPSA guns don't kill people-or at least no one would view a USPSA gun as a "gun that could fall into the wrong hands." Handguns should be outlawed except in the hands of LEO or Military. Airsoft is the future. We ain't Europe. Live with it. IPSC won't be in the Olympics. Reality-with concealed carry spreading across the country (except two states), we should go in the opposite direction. Every stage should have a "reality" requirement. Example-you are in your living room, at the start signal, engage the 32 terrorists/zombies/aliens/democrats who have invaded your home to rape your dog, piss in your Wheaties, corrupt your children and steal your soul.
  5. 2008 and 2009 National Production winner. Lead through a Glock barrel. http://www.watchtv.net/~vogelshootist/Weapons.htm
  6. I never had any luck using the FCD with lead, cast or coated. Bullets going sideways, leading-I couldn't make it work right-probably my fault. The FCD did "too much" to the round. I did check. When I load lead I use a different first die. If you use 9 mm FCD (not with lead), and you "start measuring" you will find you can adjust the die so it does absolutely nothing to the round except kiss the case just enough (see prior posts). This thread was started about loading FMJ 9mm bullets. Specifically FMJ. Specifically 9mm. I agree with you, and my experience mirrors yours with lead bullets. You then post pictures regarding problems with lead bullets and other calibers. Again this thread was started about 9mm. About FMJ (not lead). Again, aftermarket barrels. Again, range brass shot through a Glock barrel. An emotional bias is a distortion in cognition and decision making due to emotional factors. You attempt to refute my findings in my first post with accounts of using the FCD with lead bullets and other calibers. Hey, a FCD thread, let's jump on it with completely unrelated assertions and vent. You have an ISSUE that cannot be resolved in a rational discourse. But I understand. I know where you are coming from. We accept you regardless. I suggest a FCD twelve-step program. Those who loaded with a FCD and find their bullets are going into the targets sideways are forever emotionally scarred. I know, I have been there. The FCD was in the junk bin for years. I disdained and hated the die for what it did to me. However, I did recover. There is hope. We understand. We are here for you, but no group hugs.
  7. You won't need the FCD. It's a far less effective sizing die then a Lee sizing die. It's about .006 bigger. Whats the point? That is why I started this thread. The Lee Die, the EGW Lee Die, the Hornady Die all make the press run harder, more effort, less smooth than using the Dillon die. Big time noticable. Really notice. I have all of the above and have used all of the above for thousands and thousands of rounds. Posters on this thread don't even have the Dillon die. I have not read a single post from someone who has and has used all of the dies. Believe. All the dies are a pain in the @@@@ to use when comparing the ease of using the Dillon die in the first station. But, and a big but, it doesn't cure the issue with 9mm FMJ range glock bulge issues. Keep in mind the FCD and lead bullets issue. I know, I used them. Whole other issue. Nothing I wrote in this thread as indicated in the first post applies to using lead or coated lead bullets. 9mm. FMJ. Range brass. Aftermarket tighter chamber than the Glock. 98sr20ve is on the mark. Using the Lee, EGW Lee or the Hornady, they all size more than the FCD. No need for it. 98sr20ve is on the mark. The Lee sizes more than the FCD. But I found the less sizing of the FCD is all you need. Why size more than you need. The Lee die, the EGW die, the Hornady die work great. No need whatsover for the FCD as these dies size further than the FCD. Note, the Hornady is a really good die (the new one) really well made (they used to make all of the dies for Dillon). Spend the money and chuck the Lee die-3x the price of the Lee die, but what you get it and use it, you will find it is worth the money. I have both, and have used both. However, if you value smooth operation of the press, the Dillon is KING. Made for progressive presses. Dillon in the first stage, and the FCD in the last, One-Shot lube-runs like buttttter. Soft butter. EGW Lee U-Die runs like frozen butttter. Lee/Hornady die runs like cold butter. Dillon with the FCD runs like butter sitting out for hours, solid but soft. No one on the face of the planet would run the Lee/EGW/Hornady die in the first station who, after running the Dillon in the first stage, wouldn't utter sh@@@, what a pain in the @@@.
  8. It's all very subjective and operator dependent. But basically using some big generalizations that people ofter argue about. 1) Bulge is often not going to be removed properly with a Dillon Sizer. - So you need to use another sizer, Either a Lee U-Die or a standard Lee Sizer. - Or you can use a FCD. Some people say it sizes bullets. Others say it doesn't. I know for a fact my MG 124gr bullets drop in and out of the die with out touching the sizer. I know for a fact my 155gr lead bullets don't even make it 1/2 way in the die before they hit the sizing ring hard. 2) EGW-U die is a .001 smaller then the standard Lee die. It's makes the press run harder. 3) WoodyAllen claims even the standard Lee die makes the press run harder. It does not have the flare the Dillon die has so it can cause the case to hit the edge of the die. It's the same profile as the U-Die so if it's not a issue with your U-Die then it wont be a issue with the normal Lee die either. 4) It's all about how to remove the bulge. Choices... - FCD - U-Die - Normal Lee/hornady/other die with out the big taper Persoanlly I don't have any issues with the 9mm brass I use. I get police fired brass all the time. I size it with my standard Lee sizing die, and I fire it in my KKM barrel with zero issues. My sizer is set to lift the toolhead and take most the slack out (but leave a smidge in) between the toolhead and shellplate. So not binding but more importantly not as loose as Lee/Dillon would tell you to do it. Be prepared for people to argue nearly every point listed above. People have widely varying views on this thing. I agree with 98sr20ve. In my opinion based on actual use, I would rank the "solutions" as follows with respect to ease of operation of the press (worst to best) (assuming you want to keep the powder check die in a 650): First stage EGW U-die. First stage Lee Die. First stage Hornady Die (nearly equal with the Lee Die). First stage Dillon Die, with the FCD as the last die. All Dillon Dies and assume 20% rejects to be used for practice rounds (KKM barrel). All Dillon Dies using new brass or brass that has only been fired out of your KKM since new. Get rid of the plastic toy gun and buy an Edge.
  9. Significant Advantage. Way it was explained to me is that the penalty(s) should take away the advantage-no more-no less. The shooter and all others should walk away-it was not worth it. Not to be punitive. Case by case. You shoot three targets with one foot just over the line-so what-one penalty as it would nullify the advantage if any. However, if the few inches advantage on angle really makes a difference, rarely, then one penalty per shot. With some ROs a simple indvertant foot fault results in the shooter zeroing the stage. Not the intent of the rule.
  10. Thanks Steve. Your input was well thought out and very insightful as was Mr. Leroy "I don't care but I will comment anyway and tell you so." Especially the part were you stated you don't even own a Dillon die. I can't read this thread again as my IQ seems to drop 10 points every time I do, even more if I read your posts more than once. You win, your right, now go away. Point was my FCD and Lee Sizer feel practically the same sizing a fired/unsized case. Somehow that makes my Lee Sizer a POS and the FCD something awesome. I just don't get it. Jeez, Steve...No, no, no. I have the die. I have used it. I am not trying to demean the Lee die or you or your opinions. The Dillon does LESS than the Lee, but you pay a price. The case inserts easier in the Dillon and less effort to size the case than the Lee. Why, because it does LESS. It does. No question. I want a solution that allows me to use the Dillon die, keep my powder check, and allow the cases to chamber. You get your 650 with the Dillon dies, and use Grocked brass, and find that 20% stick in the chamber in your KKM barrel. I'll walk you through my journey: You live with it-the 20% you use for practice rounds. You buy an EGW Lee die and get pissed off at the extra effort it take to operate the press, and the crushed cases. You get the Lee die and it solves the problem but it just does not work as well as the Dillon. Again, makes sense, the Dillon does less. The bevel is less forgiving, more crushed cases, and more effort-it does more than the Dillon. You get the Hornady die. Well made. A little better than the Lee but still you been spoiled by the Dillon-which does LESS than both. You do not want to give up a station and lose the powder check and put the Lee, EGW or Hornady in station 2. You look for a solution and find none. You are spoiled by the Dillon die-which does LESS, not enough. Not a big deal, the Lee works well, as does the Hornady as does the EGW, but you want the press to operate with the Dillon, less effort. Again, makes sense the Dillon does less-does not enough. You read about someone using the FCD adjusted just so the carbide ring kisses the bottom 2.0 of the case curing what the Dillon does not. You load thousands of rounds, hey works great. You test with calipers to see what is happening the case. Why didn't I do this before, I used the FCD five years ago. It was sitting in the scrap bin You post on the Enos forum. Hey, it makes sense. What do you think. Anyone else trying this. I have all the dies, used all of them for many many thousands of rounds, a multi-year journey. USPSA shooters are tweakers. We love to mess with everything. You post on the Enos forum knowing the FCD has a nasty rep-mainly because it is easy to over adjust and really mess up the rounds. You wait for the incoming.....and it comes in spades. This is a technical forum, we dissect and question everything. No status quo. We make the status quo.
  11. Thanks Steve. Your input was well thought out and very insightful as was Mr. Leroy "I don't care but I will comment anyway and tell you so." Especially the part were you stated you don't even own a Dillon die. I can't read this thread again as my IQ seems to drop 10 points every time I do, even more if I read your posts more than once. You win, your right, now go away.
  12. Sharing of information on what works for those who are dealing with the Grocked brass issue. Trying to figure out what works and what doesn't. Unlike you, other peoples methods do matter to me if I can improve what I am doing. It appears to have brought out the FCD is evil, the who cares, and the I don't have a 650 Dillon press/Dillon Die/FCD die, and those who don't use Grocked brass in a tight chambered barrel. Posters who give their opinion on something they have no experience with anything that is discussed. Which are you??? Oh, you just told us-the who cares crowd and you post to let us know that. Thanks so much. I am done with this thread as I gleaned as much as possible from it.
  13. You are then resizing the brass twice and you loose your powder check. The Lee die sizes the brass down more than the Dillon, more than is needed. I like my powder check die. If the 650 had an extra station, that is what I probably would do, but I may use the Hornady die without a decapping pin instead of the Lee.
  14. I notice zero difference between the Standard Lee Die and the Hornady Die. Have you ever even used a normal Lee sizing die? I have felt other presses with Dillon and other dies. Never noticed a difference. Never put a Dillon on my press. Why bother. I have the Dillon, Lee, EGW Lee and the Hornady and have used them all. There is quite a difference in the ease of running the press between the Dillon and the rest. Very noticable both in effort and ease of the case inserting in the die. The Hornady seems to feed the cases better than the Lee, but the effort is about the same. The EGW is the worst as far as effort to run the press. The 650 with the Dillon makes the press run like butttttter (using One Shot), but it doesn't size down enough (unlike the others). No need for anything but Dillon dies if not for the Grock barrel messing up the 9mm brass. Ajusting the Dillon correctly will lead to about 20% that will stick in the chamber of a KKM. If I started with new brass and just reloaded it, straight Dillon dies would be all I would use.
  15. Your right, I'm lying. Either way. It's not a contest to see whose press runs the smoothest. It's about making ammo that works. At least it is for me. My ammo works. With out the added complication/oversizing that the u-die might present, with out any fear that the FCD will size my big lead bullets, with out having the size a case twice. Thats all that matters to me. How smooth the press runs is something many others value. I do. Making good ammo and having the press run as smooth as possible is what I desire. My ammo works and my press runs smoother than yours with no downsides, none. I overcame my fear of the FCD (it was scary at first)as I am sure others will after reading this thread.
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