BritinUSA Posted September 16, 2007 Share Posted September 16, 2007 We have just completed the final qualifier for the World Shoot Team selection process. In due course the various team slots will be filled with the talented few who get to represent USA and USPSA at the WS in Bali, 2008. At the Tulsa match, Travis and I were talking about team shirts and the problems that arise when the demands of sponsorship (for some shooters) collide with the need for some kind of standard attire for the team members. I remember attending some World Shoots where Team USA wore their team shirts for the opening ceremony only to dump them in favour of their sponsor-shirts during the match itself. USPSA pays much of the cost of attending the match for the main teams so they probably should have a reasonable expectation that the team would wear the colours for the entire match. The sponsors who contribute equipment, money etc. also have an expectation that their shooters will display their logos during the match. I was wondering if there was a compromise; Should USPSA design some shirts that can accommodate each shooter's individual logos as well as still flying the flag ? What I thought was a design that had the right sleeve as a blue background with white stars, and the right side of the shirt with vertical red/white stripes like a flag, repeated on the back. The USPSA diamond would be on the right of the chest. As the stripes move toward the centre of the shirt they fade into a solid background, either white, red or blue with the shooter's sponsor logos on the left hand side of the shirt (from the wearers perspective), along with the shooters name. I could probably show this better with a picture but I don't have any graphic software on my Mac at the moment. My thought is that the solid colour on the left would vary depending on the main sponsors, so INFINITY and SPRINGFIELD is mostly a blue background, STI and SVI are RED, (I think), the other base colour would be white. The shooter could then choose what logos would fill the space on the left of the shirt (both front and back). I think a compromise such as this would meet the requirements of USPSA and the SPONSORs. Sponsors can't enter their own Teams at the World Shoot as only National teams are recognised, so this would seem to fit the bill... Anyone have any constructive thoughts ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EZ Bagger Posted September 16, 2007 Share Posted September 16, 2007 Be interesting to see if the sponsors will buy off on the basic idea...not a bad one either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Bond Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 To my knowledge, USPSA has not had any comments from WS Team Shooters desiring to wear shirts provided by their sponors in lieu of the team colors. In my humble opinion, you leave the dance with the partner who took you. If the membership of this organization desires to invite you to shoot for the region and pays your way and provides you a uniform, it would be pretty darn disrespectful to not wear it and I very seriously doubt that any sponsor would feel otherwise. Charles Bond Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zhunter Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 I am STILL in Halmstad Sweden following the conclusion of yesterdays Solheim Cup, which is the ladies version of the Ryder Cup. I have also worked the last 5 Ryder Cups, and I can tell you that the competitors ALWAYS wear the team uniforms!!! I am not talking about some small ( comparatively ) deals here, we are talking about MILLION$ endorsements. TEAM MEMBERS are just that, and SHOULD me expected to wear team uniforms!!! Sponsors should then use the pictures of their shooters in the team uniforms and use them in their advertisements!!! ONLY very few make the World Shoot team, use that as a promotion in itself. IF the shooting industry does not understand the significance of this, they need NEW marketing people!!! ZH OUT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kend Posted September 18, 2007 Share Posted September 18, 2007 I thought this was an interesting question so here's my thoughts.....As a sponsor I wouldn't have a problem with one of my shooters wearing the team shirt but if I helped get them there I would appreciate at least a little exposure. I think that a lot of the companies involved in the action pistol shooting sports aren't big enough to have a staff of marketing people and we need any exposure we can get so why not put the individual shooters sponsors on the team shirts? Instead of trying to design a shirt to work with the different logo colors why not pick a color that looks good with the shirt design and make all the logos the same color? You could do a red, white and blue shirt and make all the logos gray or something that looks nice with the shirt but doesn't overpower it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritinUSA Posted September 18, 2007 Author Share Posted September 18, 2007 You could do a red, white and blue shirt and make all the logos gray or something that looks nice with the shirt but doesn't overpower it. I like that idea too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDave Posted September 19, 2007 Share Posted September 19, 2007 I am STILL in Halmstad Sweden following the conclusion of yesterdays Solheim Cup, which is the ladies version of the Ryder Cup. I have also worked the last 5 Ryder Cups, and I can tell you that the competitors ALWAYS wear the team uniforms!!!I am not talking about some small ( comparatively ) deals here, we are talking about MILLION$ endorsements. TEAM MEMBERS are just that, and SHOULD me expected to wear team uniforms!!! Sponsors should then use the pictures of their shooters in the team uniforms and use them in their advertisements!!! ONLY very few make the World Shoot team, use that as a promotion in itself. IF the shooting industry does not understand the significance of this, they need NEW marketing people!!! ZH OUT Yeah, take golf for an example. During the President's Cup they all wear the same thing, even down to hats, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zhunter Posted September 19, 2007 Share Posted September 19, 2007 Yeah, take golf for an example. During the President's Cup they all wear the same thing, even down to hats, right? Dave That is correct. HEY, you are representing YOUR/OUR country, leave the sponsorship crap at home, and bring us back the title!!! IF you have any questions, please RE-READ my first post. Those guys are getting MILLIONS and don't wear sponsorship logos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Moneypenny Posted September 22, 2007 Share Posted September 22, 2007 So who are the folks on the teams? Standings from people who understand the magic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritinUSA Posted September 22, 2007 Author Share Posted September 22, 2007 So who are the folks on the teams? Standings from people who understand the magic? I imagine that they have already worked out who would be on the team. Then I guess they would start calling people to see if they were willing/able to travel to Indonesia in 2008 for the match. Once that is all done then I am guessing that they could publish the names. I suspect that there will be some that qualify that don't wish to make the trip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coolduckboy Posted September 23, 2007 Share Posted September 23, 2007 Alright, What are the expenses for going to the World Shoot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Di Vita Posted September 23, 2007 Share Posted September 23, 2007 I would say your left arm should just about cover it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coolduckboy Posted September 23, 2007 Share Posted September 23, 2007 as long as i don't have to give away my left nut, Sorry, some things i won't give to go to the world shoot. But if i give away my left arm, this means i won't be ambedexerious(SP) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritinUSA Posted September 23, 2007 Author Share Posted September 23, 2007 Typically a World Shoot entry fee runs around the $400 , plus air travel halfway around the world, plus hotels, plus match ammo. Expect to spend $2500-$3500 per person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coolduckboy Posted September 23, 2007 Share Posted September 23, 2007 Geez, I think I will stick to US Nationals until I feel confident to take a loan to go to nationals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharyn Posted September 23, 2007 Share Posted September 23, 2007 Ladies team should be Lisa, Kay and Athena... with Eva 4th then 8.57 points behind is... me. Guess I'll just have to win '08 Nationals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julien Boit Posted September 23, 2007 Share Posted September 23, 2007 At the last Europeans, those which ended this week end, France had official shirts with French colors, French Federation logos and colors and individual sponsors for each shooter member of the official teams. My opinion is that a national team should wear national uniforms and colors, and nothing more during the main match. After shooting, at the shoot off, wear whatever you want (as long as it stay tasteful ). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritinUSA Posted September 23, 2007 Author Share Posted September 23, 2007 Ladies team should be Lisa, Kay and Athena... with Eva 4th then 8.57 points behind is... me. Guess I'll just have to win '08 Nationals. Awesome job, Sharyn. It was fun shooting with you in Tulsa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Anderson Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 So who are the folks on the teams? Standings from people who understand the magic? Best I can figure in Production and this is by no means scientific. Robert Vogel 395.73 Matt Mink 392.02 Angus Hobdell 374.06 David Olhasso 370.76 Barry Dueck 338.90 Chuck Anderson 334.41 Roger Sherman 331.40 and Steve Moneypenny 328.75 Top three get an automatic invite. David is going to have to wait until after next years Nationals to know for sure. My guess is he'll be number 4 though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRNinTX Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 (edited) The best I can figure is: OPEN Chris Tilley Max Michel KC Eusebio BJ Norris STANDARD Travis Tomasie Taran Butler Manny Bragg Shannon Smith PRODUCTION What Chuck said JUNIOR Shane Coley Forrest McCord James McGinty LADY What Sharyn said Until next year's Nationals anyway Edited September 24, 2007 by TRNinTX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritinUSA Posted September 24, 2007 Author Share Posted September 24, 2007 Ok, I'm confused; A couple of posters have mentioned the 2008 Nationals as if this will have some impact on the US Teams. I don't think so. The World Shoot is typically in Sept-Oct. They usually need to get the competitors sorted out 2-3 months before the start of the match to allow time for firearm permits etc. So I don't see how the 2008 Nationals will be an issue. I think they have to take the Nationals scores from 2006-2007.... Or am I totally confused ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritinUSA Posted September 24, 2007 Author Share Posted September 24, 2007 Yep, just checked the USPSA web-site Points shall be earned in the following manner: The points from the better of the 2006 or 2007 National Handgun Championships which shall be multiplied by 2.000, plus The total points of the best two (of three) BOD approved qualification matches in 2007. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Di Vita Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 And the 2008 Nationals Winner will have the option of taking the 4th spot if he is already scheduled to attend the WS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharyn Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 Thanks, Paul. It was fun shooting with you too. Our squad was awesome! And, yeah, you're totally confused... 13. 2008 World Shoot team slots will be offered to members in the following order: a. The three highest ranked competitors based on qualification points. Selection will continue in descending qualification order until three team positions have been formally accepted. b. The 2008 National Champion in each division or category will be offered the number four position on the corresponding team only if the following prerequisites have been met: 1. Entered in the 2008 IPSC World Shoot 2. Necessary firearms permits submitted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Sweeney Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 Hmm, the chances of Dave not going to Bali, having a slot, permits, airfare, etc. nailed down long before the 2008 Nats are, oh, about zero. Say, no calculations on us wheelgunners? I'm hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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