Coolduckboy Posted August 27, 2007 Share Posted August 27, 2007 (edited) I wouldn't mind taking a gander as this IDPA Classifier. Never Shot IDPA and would like to see what it is like. Looks fairly simple. I like the video and will let me set up my mini classifier. Edited August 27, 2007 by Coolduckboy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeIndy Posted October 7, 2007 Author Share Posted October 7, 2007 I wouldn't mind taking a gander as this IDPA Classifier. Never Shot IDPA and would like to see what it is like. Looks fairly simple.I like the video and will let me set up my mini classifier. its a great way to practice. everything except lateral movement. on my most recent one i ran a 85 from concealment. and before any one asks i shot it from concealment just because i can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rookieglocker Posted October 7, 2007 Share Posted October 7, 2007 85 is smoking fast... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeIndy Posted October 8, 2007 Author Share Posted October 8, 2007 5 gun master kelly mears runs it in 73 with a 1911 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoMiE Posted October 8, 2007 Share Posted October 8, 2007 Your 85 run, how many points down total where you? Time and how many points down per stage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loves2Shoot Posted October 8, 2007 Share Posted October 8, 2007 (edited) Lee, On stage 3 on strings 1 and 2 you were doing Reloads with Retension and not Tactical Reload Loads as specified by the Classifier. From IDPA website: The key issue in the final stage is the "tactical reload." The RWR is much faster for me, I'm just wondering if I'm missing anything. If it is ok to do a RWR instead of the specified Tactical Reloads where is that specified in the rulebook? I was trying to get the reloads figured out today and just want to make sure I'm not confused. Edited October 8, 2007 by Loves2Shoot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeIndy Posted October 8, 2007 Author Share Posted October 8, 2007 Lee,On stage 3 on strings 1 and 2 you were doing Reloads with Retension and not Tactical Reload Loads as specified by the Classifier. From IDPA website: The key issue in the final stage is the "tactical reload." The RWR is much faster for me, I'm just wondering if I'm missing anything. If it is ok to do a RWR instead of the specified Tactical Reloads where is that specified in the rulebook? I was trying to get the reloads figured out today and just want to make sure I'm not confused. if you read the idpa rule book it says that when referring to a tactical reload it can be done either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loves2Shoot Posted October 8, 2007 Share Posted October 8, 2007 Thanks, I have been reading the rulebook, but missed that they were interchangeable. It is in the Apendix II Approved IDPA reloads in the preamble. There is a lot to get your head around in learning another rulebook. Good thing is I found some place to save time A Tactical Reload takes me forever, a RWR isn't quite as bad. Thanks again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeIndy Posted October 8, 2007 Author Share Posted October 8, 2007 Your 85 run, how many points down total where you? Time and how many points down per stage? i just moved across country and all my gear is gumbled around when i find the sheet ill let you know but i know i didnt drop more than 5 points on stages 1 & 2 combined and i think i droped 5 points on stage 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeIndy Posted October 8, 2007 Author Share Posted October 8, 2007 Thanks, I have been reading the rulebook, but missed that they were interchangeable. It is in the Apendix II Approved IDPA reloads in the preamble. There is a lot to get your head around in learning another rulebook. Good thing is I found some place to save time A Tactical Reload takes me forever, a RWR isn't quite as bad. Thanks again. quick find. try doing it the way i posted on xdtalk in the gun games section. its much more reliable and faster. no missing your pocket or only getting it half in and haveing to pick it up later in the stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loves2Shoot Posted October 8, 2007 Share Posted October 8, 2007 I cheated and did a search on "interchangeable" on the PDF file. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeIndy Posted October 8, 2007 Author Share Posted October 8, 2007 I cheated and did a search on "interchangeable" on the PDF file. ooo good one. i forgot i had a digital copy. i was throwing boxes around looking for my rule books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singlestack Wonder Posted October 8, 2007 Share Posted October 8, 2007 In reviewing the video's, I agree with some previous posters in regards to your ready position. I'm surprised that the SO did not say anything about your starting position. Hands should be hanging naturally at sides and you should be standing straight up, not with the knees bent. This is rigorously enforced at all of the IDPA matches in our area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeIndy Posted October 9, 2007 Author Share Posted October 9, 2007 In reviewing the video's, I agree with some previous posters in regards to your ready position. I'm surprised that the SO did not say anything about your starting position. Hands should be hanging naturally at sides and you should be standing straight up, not with the knees bent. This is rigorously enforced at all of the IDPA matches in our area. after hearing those complaint i looked into it and we had gotten lax. i redid all my classifiers with a legal start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waktasz Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 Blast from the past! Any easy way to make up two to three seconds for you is to do a tac load on the 5 minute mark in your vid. Get the new mag out first and swap them, once it is seated, you can run to the barrel while also stowing the old mag. I think I picked that up from the Matt Burkett IDPA video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Thomas Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 Two to three seconds? I think not. I actually tested this by running S3/S2 ten times using a RWR, ten times using a Tac-Load, then comparing the scores, measuring only the time interval between the last shot at the barricade and the first shot at the barrel. What I found was that I was about half a second faster with a Tac-Load than a RWR when everything went right. The problem is that when using a RWR on S3/S1, then switching to a Tac-Load on the very next string, everything doesn't always go right. I found the necessity to switch between reload techniques between strings would often screw me up. I'd hesitate at the moment of the reload because I wasn't sure which technique I should be using. Finally I decided to simplify and just do RWRs for both strings. The surety that comes from using the same technique both times, for me, is much more desirable than a possible half second advantage that, in reality, often turns into a several second deficit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckS Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 The IDPA classifier doesn't require the use of a concealment garment, the rulebook states it. mattk Hi, Just curious where in the rule book is that stated? Later, Chuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waktasz Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 I believe it says it right in the description of the classifier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckS Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 I believe it says it right in the description of the classifier. I don't see it. http://idpa.com/Documents/IDPARuleBook2005.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waktasz Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 I can't find it either...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lugnut Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 Classifier is limited vickers and not a scenario stage which would require concealment. I can't find the direct wording in the handbook now either. Never needed concealment at any classifiers I've shot at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madcap Magician Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 Classifier is limited vickers and not a scenario stage which would require concealment. I can't find the direct wording in the handbook now either. Never needed concealment at any classifiers I've shot at. Agree. It's all standards. Standards don't require concealment. The idea is to not have concealment to get a better comparison for all shooters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckS Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 Classifier is limited vickers and not a scenario stage which would require concealment. I can't find the direct wording in the handbook now either. Never needed concealment at any classifiers I've shot at. Agree. It's all standards. Standards don't require concealment. The idea is to not have concealment to get a better comparison for all shooters. To continue the drift of Oscar's thread a bit more: Since the classifier is used to choose competition levels for matches and since concealment is used in the majority of stages in the typical match, wouldn't it be more appropriate to use concealment for this exercise? Like you said, standards don't require concealment, but nowhere is it written that you can't use it! Just a thought. Now everybody go watch Oscar's video... Later, Chuck A01062 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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