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If IDPA would have bought the SC would they still follow USPSA rules? All I was stating is that any reference to IDPA should be removed from the rules. If SC wants to follow the IDPA rules, then do not acknowledge the fact. Don't be short sighted or micro minded. USPSA is not going to change the format of the match in the short term, that was part of the agreement. But SC is now part of USPSA and will evolve. I can't speak for Bill Wilson, but if I purchased a well ran, working "machine", that generated capital based on it's availability to persons of all shooting disciplines, I would not change it. Bill certainly knows how to run a shooting organization based on the continued success of IDPA. On another note, I hardly call elimination of divisions (or whatever the correct term is) of anything that is not USPSA (i.e. SASS, IDPA, etc) "evolving". All it takes is a resentment and a new set of steel plates and you can start your own steel challenge organization. It looks like you have the first part down pat. Typical un-enlightened comment. I presume if USPSA was ever able to purchase SASS, it would be OK to eliminate single action cowboy guns? Anyway.............nuff said............

If IDPA would have bought the SC would they still follow USPSA rules? All I was stating is that any reference to IDPA should be removed from the rules. If SC wants to follow the IDPA rules, then do not acknowledge the fact. Don't be short sighted or micro minded. USPSA is not going to change the format of the match in the short term, that was part of the agreement. But SC is now part of USPSA and will evolve. I can't speak for Bill Wilson, but if I purchased a well ran, working "machine", that generated capital based on it's availability to persons of all shooting disciplines, I would not change it. Bill certainly knows how to run a shooting organization based on the continued success of IDPA. On another note, I hardly call elimination of divisions (or whatever the correct term is) of anything that is not USPSA (i.e. SASS, IDPA, etc) "evolving".

Wow. It's happening sooner than we expected. USPSA shooters want to eliminate any and all divisions that run by different requirements other than USPSA rules. One thing that made the Steel Challenge fun and exciting was the fact that whatever shooting discipline one came from, there was a division for them. Now the "Elite" minds of some feel that the match should be catered to their rules only. I anticipate that this is just the idle gossip from non-well rounded, "My sport is better than yours", shooting competitors, and not the "official" direction of USPSA. If the match went to USPSA rules only, the number of competitors will drop off significantly and the purchase of the Steel Challenge will become just another revenue losing "Land Deal. But, if USPSA does eliminate all non-USPSA divisions, just think of the number of competitors looking for a new match! Perhaps the "International Steel Shooting Association" will be formed.

I picked this up the last week of April, original pics are in post #38 of this thread (I think). I ran a CR Speed WSM II for a while, but have been using a DOH for at least 5-6 months. The EGW magwell was new when I picked up the gun, but they wouldnt do aluminum at that time (someone in this thread said they do now) but I included it with the pic of the mag to show how beat up the magwell is versus the magazine. The mag looks a little scratched, but they are very difficult to see except in the pics! Is that skin in the top pic at the rear of the slide?

Can a 9mm barrel really just "drop-in?" I recall Joe D saying something along those lines.... As I understand it, the breechface on the Kimber 40's and 9's are the same. It would work but due to tolerences, the POI may be different. Only an issue on fixed sight pistols.

Kimber Custom II in 40S&W and Chip McCormick 10mm mags........

Anyone have pictures of the IONBOND'ed pistol with 1000's of draws from Kydex yet?

I think the offer should be extended to the World Champions as it allows our national champions to compete with the world champions at several venues that may test different aspects of their overall skills. One match between the US champions and the reigning World Champions isn't enough. I'm not bringing this topic up to bash USPSA (I don't agree with some of their policies or decisions as many don't agree with IPSC or IDPA policies or positions), but I would just like to see the world's best shooters compete head to head many times throughout the course of the season.

Will the current IPSC World Open Champion automatically get a slot to the US Open Nationals?

How did the finish hold up after a year? Any pics?

Never mind.......................

Two things stick in regards to negative issues with Caspian: 1. Everyone remembers their 1st generation hi-cap frames cracking on a regular basis (fixed with generation 2) 2. Caspian refused to sell hi-cap replacement bodies during the 1994CB era. Gary's reasons are his own, but I'm sure had something to do with folks illegally building new hi-cap mags and potentially putting Caspian in a legal dilemma. We all know that no felonies were committed with hi-cap tubes from STI and SVI during the CB.

Tennfer is silver/grey. The original Glock finish had no outside coating. The tenifer itself was exposed and was black when new, but as mentioned aboved, changed to dark grey as the finish aged. It was still nitrocarburizing, but a slightly different mixture was used. Heres a picture of a 2nd generation Glock 19 with the old finish:

Are you saying Glock changed their finish or surface treatment? Yes. I had many Glocks in the 80's and 90's. The older ones had a black finish that turned dark grey over time. This finish was super hard and did not scratch easily. I noticed that on Glock's that I purchased around 2002, the finish had changed. After one range session, the slide was showing wear from the Kydex holster I was using. The original tennifer finish from Austria used some dangerous materials in it's application (I believe one was cyanide). It would be interesting to find out if Glock's sold here in the US have their slides finished here with a more (I hate to use the term) "Green Friendly" process (i.e. melonite with a painted finish) and whether Glock's made in Austria still use the old finishing process. I think SIG used to utilize a finish similar to the old Glock finish.

Yeah at 122 power factor On your website, in the match results, Production shooters are shown as not shooting Minor. This would affect the overall scores unless those shooters only shoot "A"s. FYI The scoring software defaults to minor when you choose Production as a division. It cannot be changed. You'd have to select a different division. Oopps..........my bad............looking at the "Ladies" column........

Here's a detailed description of the various firearm finishes available today by accomplished gunsmith, John Harrison. Note that the salt spray rating for IONBOND is 48 hours, much less than the painted on coatings. If one wants absolute corrosion resistance, painted or Melonite finishes win. For abrasive resistance, IONBOND is the way to go (Although the Melonite itself won't wear, the external painted finish will like Glocks made today). It's too bad that the true tenifer process that Glock used years ago isn't available here. If you remember Glocks from the 80's and 90's, the finish was indestructable. It also got harder with age with the color turning from black into a dark grey. The name of the company is IonBond, LLC in Greensboro, NC. The finish is called "DLC" in the firearms industry. It's hard to accurately do an apples to apples comparison of the finishes, since they are apples, oranges, bananas and grapefruits, but here's my short $0.02 worth. Bear Coat and Black-T are sorta cousins in that they are sprayed on coatings that are baked at a fairly low temp to cure. So long as their skin is not broken, they have the highest advertised salt spray corrosion test numbers, like a 1,000 hours or such. Neither Bear Coat or Black-T is particularly resistant to abrasion, when compared to Melonite and DLC, although they are more durable than bluing and Parkerizing, maybe because the coating thickness is greater. Folks will argue that one is appreciably more durable than the other but I just can't see a huge difference myself. My own experience with using Black-T on a bunch of pistols and Bear Coat on a few is the chief difference to me is that often times the Bear Coat was so thick as to require a bit of controlled sanding in concealed places to get the parts back together after being finished in Bear Coat. I've never had an assembly problem with Black-T, even on fairly tight guns. Melonite and DLC are a more fair comparison to each other as both are really hard on the Rockwell "C" scale. DLC is advertised at 70 to 90. I don't know about Melonite, but would expect a similar test result. Melonite is a surface treatment that is finished off in Black Oxide (think bluing) where DLC is a PVD (physical vapor deposition) coating. From my experience, the black color is more durable on DLC. To me, the big difference between these two is the temperatures involved. Melonite is done at temps around 1200 degrees, give or take; where DLC is done at 400 degrees (just a little hotter than bluing tanks). Aside from the obvious difference in temperatures that the gun is subjected to, this means is that the smaller parts like extractor, pins, screws, sear, hammer, magazine catch, etc. cannot be finished in Melonite. They have to be finished in black oxide or a spray on finish. With DLC, all the parts can be done. DLC's salt spray test time is claimed at 48 hours. Bluing fails in under 3 hours normally. I don't know what Melonite is rated at. I did have a lot of problems reassembling pistols treated with Melonite, mostly having to lap fit the slide & frame rails after the treatment. I've had no problems with DLC with reassembly. Melonite seems to only be available in matte finishes, where DLC can be done on polished surfaces and in my eyes, looks so much like bluing that you can hardly tell. Hope this answers some of your questions.

Take a look at Nighthawk Custom Nighthawk Custom A little more money, but it's a quality made USA firearm, not one imported from the Phillipines.

Yeah at 122 power factor On your website, in the match results, Production shooters are shown as not shooting Minor. This would affect the overall scores unless those shooters only shoot "A"s. FYI

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Tom Novak's website still appears to be down. Is he still in business?

Replace the Recoilmaster with a stock guide rod. The Recoilmaster will fail sooner or later and always at the worst time.

I just don't understand the need for IDPA bashing. IDPA has a clear set of rules to follow. If one doesn't agree with the rules, don't play. Many of us appreciate the "crap" mentioned above as we enjoy shooting IDPA using a different set of skills that are required vs. other games.

There is never a problem that cannot be solved with a Glock. Good decision on your purchase. Report back to us how it runs.

It's unfortunate that the 1911 Society allowed USPSA to take over this match. The society gave single stack enthusiasts a place to compete with their single stack pistols after USPSA rules made them non-competitive due to the allowed equipment race. After USPSA saw the success of this match and others, they rushed to create a new singlestack division is order to draw the shooters back. Now, those who chose to leave USPSA and join organizations like the 1911 Society are forced to join USPSA to be able to shoot the match. The same will probably be true to the Steel Challenge.