BigDave Posted March 19, 2003 Share Posted March 19, 2003 Shooting the El Prez with a revolver is definately a lesson in patience and smoothness (especially being mainly a Limited shooter). What is a decent time on the El Prez for a Revo shooter? I know that Rich Bitow and Jerry M. shot sub 7 sec times at the FGN's last year, but those guys seem to be (especially Jerry M.) in a league of their own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tightloop Posted March 19, 2003 Share Posted March 19, 2003 Well, you posed the question, but what did you do it in? Go ahead tell us, you know noone here would make any snide comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted March 20, 2003 Share Posted March 20, 2003 Dave, I think Bitlow did it in around 5.75 ? It's all in the reload, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tightloop Posted March 20, 2003 Share Posted March 20, 2003 There are plenty of flat gunners who cannot do it in 5.75. That is smokin' with a wheel gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3quartertime Posted March 20, 2003 Share Posted March 20, 2003 I was running the timer when Big Dave did an 8:80. The reload was about 3:50. Score was about 50 or so. Dave is a really good limited shooter working on revo. I've RO'ed him lots and the big guy just keeps getting better!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDave Posted March 20, 2003 Author Share Posted March 20, 2003 It was 8.80, 44 points as I recall. Draw was something like 1.70-80 and the reload was 3.40-50 or something. I'd just like to know where I am. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted March 20, 2003 Share Posted March 20, 2003 Dave, The last El Prez I tried was a little over seven seconds (7.10). Draw is somewhere in the 1.25 area. Reload under 2.5. My reloads are generally speaking between 1.95 and 2.50 seconds. If I screw one up really bad, it's 3.0 (at 10 meters or so). My draws are generally speaking between 0.95 and 1.35 seconds. Fastest reload ever timed 1.91 Fastest draw ever timed 0.94 Fastest split ever timed 0.25 Sounds like you're on the right track. 8.80 is good. Especially since you've only been shooting for a short time (revolver that is). Björn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banjobart Posted April 15, 2003 Share Posted April 15, 2003 9 seconds here last Sunday shooting a classifier for score. Slow, but it was damn cold! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniele Posted April 19, 2003 Share Posted April 19, 2003 Hi everybody Jerry Miculek did it in 3 seconds ( and 8 shots in 1 second ) some years ago setting his world records. At that time a short video of the event was available in the Net. I wish to see again that video and wonder how he can do that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ankeny Posted April 20, 2003 Share Posted April 20, 2003 A three second El Pres with a revolver is, well...incredible. Actually, I just can't believe it at all. Is the information accurate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmallPaul Posted April 20, 2003 Share Posted April 20, 2003 Jerry's record of 12 shots in 2.99 seconds was timed from first shot to last shot. Not actually a full "El Prez" with 3 targets and starting hands above shoulder facing away from target. He did it with a 625 (.45 ACP with moons). Target used was a NRA D1 at I believe 5 yards, there were of course 12 holes with the grouping spread vertically rather badly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted April 20, 2003 Share Posted April 20, 2003 That still means he can do it in: Draw: 0.8 s 5 splits + transitions: 0.17 s Reload : 1.75 s 5 splits:0.17 s 4.25 s And I'm not even using record splits. Those are pretty realistic numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ankeny Posted April 20, 2003 Share Posted April 20, 2003 Didn't Bitrow have the fastest revolver El Pres. at the Nats? I mean, sure Jerry is one of the fastest revolver shooters on the planet, but let's not exaggerate his ability to mythical proportions. I seriously doubt than any revolver shooter alive today could muster a 4.25 second El Pres on demand and get any kind of decent hits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Thomas Posted April 21, 2003 Share Posted April 21, 2003 Rich Bitow did it in 5.75 seconds. Jerry Miculek did it in 6.70 seconds. I know because (1) I watched them both do it, and (2) I've got all the Factory Nats scoresheets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaiserb Posted April 21, 2003 Share Posted April 21, 2003 Hi everybodyJerry Miculek did it in 3 seconds ( and 8 shots in 1 second ) some years ago setting his world records. At that time a short video of the event was available in the Net. I wish to see again that video and wonder how he can do that! The Miculek records do not count the draw time. They were from the ready position. Buzz to last shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted April 21, 2003 Share Posted April 21, 2003 Ron, I don't know if Jerry could do it on demand. What I do know (I got his tape in last week), is that he can shoot a double Bill Drill from the holster (Draw, shoot six, reload, shoot six) in 4.45s. It was not a "glory run". He had a hickup after the reload (which was 1.72 BTW). I also know (also on the tape) that he can shoot two shots on three targets from low ready in 1.61 s. Multiply 1.61 by two and add a cuple of thents for a draw (say .3) and a reload (1.8), and you have a 5.32 El Prez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Moneypenny Posted May 2, 2003 Share Posted May 2, 2003 Just a thought... has anyone else noticed that "math" doesn't work shooting.... as in, 1.00 draw, 1.4 reload, etc. it never seems to come out that way, even for masters. It sure is fun to do though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted May 2, 2003 Share Posted May 2, 2003 smoney, yep. Especially when you take "best draw etc.". I used it in this case, because I've seen Jerry M. do this on tape and it looked "easy" for him to do. And yes, it is fun to do. Like with Grauffel. I once took his best draw, splits and reloads and realized, he "could" do like a 2.3 sec El prez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Thomas Posted May 2, 2003 Share Posted May 2, 2003 Multiply 1.61 by two and add a cuple of thents for a draw (say .3) and a reload (1.8), and you have a 5.32 El Prez. Strange how it worked out to 6.70 in the real world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted May 2, 2003 Share Posted May 2, 2003 Duane, seriously, that surprized me. I did a 7.1 El prez the last time I tried. That feels so close to a 6.7s El Prez. And i can't imagine that I could even come that "close" to TRGO . My splits suck and my fastest reload ever timed was 1.81, vs. Jerry's 1.4 super reloads and his unreal splits. How the hell...? It's still half a second though :| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Thomas Posted May 3, 2003 Share Posted May 3, 2003 Jerry was seriously having an off-day there. After the 1st Factory Nats, people were commenting on what a bad match he'd shot - for Jerry Miculek. And he still beat the 2nd place Revolver shooter by almost 300 match points! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whizz Posted April 28, 2004 Share Posted April 28, 2004 I´m new to revolver in IPSC, have been shooting Limited or as it is called here in sweden Standard, and my first try at the El Prez was 10.08 and 59 pts. Its the friggin reload but it will surely have improved after this season as I intend to compete revolver class only in the future. Maybe with an exception if I am needed as a team member in Standard class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted April 28, 2004 Share Posted April 28, 2004 Very cool to read this thread again after some time. Thanks for kicking it back up One year ago I posted: The last El Prez I tried was a little over seven seconds (7.10). Draw is somewhere in the 1.25 area. Reload under 2.5. My reloads are generally speaking between 1.95 and 2.50 seconds. If I screw one up really bad, it's 3.0 (at 10 meters or so). My draws are generally speaking between 0.95 and 1.35 seconds.Fastest reload ever timed 1.91 Fastest draw ever timed 0.94 Fastest split ever timed 0.25 Björn I did a 6.01 El Prez last week with terrible hits, and a 6.38 with good hits. My fastest reload went from 1.91 to 1.58 (1.9's are "easy" now) and fastest split from .25 to.20. Fastest draw went from .94 to .83. It's fun to dig up old threads and see the progress you've made in only one year. BTW, welcome to the boards Whizz. Nice to see a fellow revolvers shooter from Europe here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Thomas Posted April 29, 2004 Share Posted April 29, 2004 Dude!! That is SMOKIN'!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tightloop Posted April 29, 2004 Share Posted April 29, 2004 Spook You have any idea how many shooters using an auto loader can't do it that fast? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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