texaschase Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 This may belong in the rules forum but I thought this would be a good starting point. I'm a newbie and am just wondering about stipling on my pistol for production class. Is it legal? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lynn jones Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 no! US APPENDIX D9 21.6 Aftermarket grips which match the profile of the OFM standard for the approved handgun and/or the application of grip tape or rubber sleeves is permitted. Modifications to grips, other than previously mentioned, not allowed, such as grooves cut to reach mag release or size reduction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eerw Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 pretty much..that's the way it is.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micah Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 Don't do it. Instead, why not look into some perfectly Production legal TruGrip! TruGrip Link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texaschase Posted May 18, 2007 Author Share Posted May 18, 2007 This doesn't surprise me after reading the rule. However... I think the fact that you can add grip tape or a rubber sleeve (which are both ADDITIONS ) but you can't change the texture is somewhat hipocritical IMHO. I don't even want to stiple my gun that bad but that rule is a little off. Does any one else feel this way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eerw Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 it can be viewed that way... think what they wanted to avoid was the machine or hand work to the frame.. if i could..i would have mine checkered..but I think to keep costs down they settled for trying to write rules to allow inexpensive grip tape or rubber sleeves..which is fine. anyway..just a rule..whether it makes sense or not..its the guidelines we play in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micah Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 I think the fact that you can add grip tape or a rubber sleeve (which are both ADDITIONS ) but you can't change the texture is somewhat hipocritical IMHO. I don't even want to stiple my gun that bad but that rule is a little off. Trust me, you're not the only one that has this opinion, but them's the rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kend Posted May 19, 2007 Share Posted May 19, 2007 I was told today (and he showed me the printed email) that John Amidon said that grip tape or rubber sleeves ARE NOT Production legal. I thought they were........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgeInNePa Posted May 19, 2007 Share Posted May 19, 2007 I was told today (and he showed me the printed email) that John Amidon said that grip tape or rubber sleeves ARE NOT Production legal. I thought they were........ That is exactly opposite of what JA has said in the past. This is about grip tape on the frame and NOT the slide, correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kend Posted May 19, 2007 Share Posted May 19, 2007 Frame is correct, I'll see if I can get him to forward the email and I'll post it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
open17 Posted May 19, 2007 Share Posted May 19, 2007 As others have replied, at the present time NO grip stippling in Production. HOWEVER---The proposed 2008 rules, Appendix D4, line 20, specifically allow grip stippling and checkering, as well as grip tape and sleeves. So unless something changes, wait a few months and then stipple to your hearts content. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter Posted May 19, 2007 Share Posted May 19, 2007 So can someone buy a stipple grip for a M&P and still be legal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texaschase Posted May 19, 2007 Author Share Posted May 19, 2007 As others have replied, at the present time NO grip stippling in Production.HOWEVER---The proposed 2008 rules, Appendix D4, line 20, specifically allow grip stippling and checkering, as well as grip tape and sleeves. So unless something changes, wait a few months and then stipple to your hearts content. How about that ?!? When exactly should that go through? That's good to hear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
open17 Posted May 20, 2007 Share Posted May 20, 2007 As others have replied, at the present time NO grip stippling in Production. HOWEVER---The proposed 2008 rules, Appendix D4, line 20, specifically allow grip stippling and checkering, as well as grip tape and sleeves. So unless something changes, wait a few months and then stipple to your hearts content. How about that ?!? When exactly should that go through? That's good to hear. IF it goes through---the new rule book is a work in process until it heads for the printer-- it will probably take effect Jan 1 2008. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ima45dv8 Posted May 20, 2007 Share Posted May 20, 2007 So can someone buy a stipple grip for a M&P and still be legal? Currently, no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kend Posted May 20, 2007 Share Posted May 20, 2007 From John Amidon (5-15-07) on modifying a Production grip: Under the Production criteria listed on page 98 of the current rule book, item 21.6 say's no, grip tape or sleeves can be added, no other modificationcan be done like cutting groves to reach mag release or size reduction. I do not think that the 2008 rules will get any better on this. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfwmiket Posted May 20, 2007 Share Posted May 20, 2007 21.6 Aftermarket grips which match the profile of the OFM standard for the approved handgun and/or the application of grip tape or rubber sleeves is permitted. Modifications to grips, other than previously mentioned, not allowed, such as grooves cut to reach mag release or size reduction. Looks ok to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kend Posted May 20, 2007 Share Posted May 20, 2007 21.6 Aftermarket grips which match the profile of the OFM standard forthe approved handgun and/or the application of grip tape or rubber sleeves is permitted. Modifications to grips, other than previously mentioned, not allowed, such as grooves cut to reach mag release or size reduction. Looks ok to me. I think you're right, I missed the comma in John's email and was thinking the no applied to the grip tape or sleeves. Thanks for the eye opener....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerwas Posted November 18, 2007 Share Posted November 18, 2007 Time to bring this topic back up.... So, did the stippling of the production grip pass for the 2008 rule book? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted November 18, 2007 Share Posted November 18, 2007 http://www.uspsa.org/rules/2008HandgunRules.pdf (13.2 MB) That is a link to the pdf files for the new (2008) rule book that was posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerwas Posted November 18, 2007 Share Posted November 18, 2007 Thanks for the link Flex. For those that don't want or have time to look it up, the answer is yes you can stipple your grips. It is under appendix E4 which shows a diagram of where the stippling and/or grip tape may be applied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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