davidball Posted April 27, 2007 Share Posted April 27, 2007 Did anyone see the first presidential debate of the 2008 election season last night? Besides the expected bashing of the current administration, the highlight was the performance of former Alaska Senator Mike Gravel. What a hoot! I teach high school government (including AP) and I am a political junkie, but I had never heard of this guy. He's like the Vice Admiral James Bond Stockdale (Perot's '92 VP running mate) of the 2008 race! I did not think it was possible, but he actually made Kucinich look mainstream! I'm thinking about sending his campaign a check just to keep him in the race for entertainment purposes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyinBlue Posted April 27, 2007 Share Posted April 27, 2007 How can you stay nonpolitical? You either agree with them..or you don't. Your either concerned with what's happening, or your not concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viggen Posted April 27, 2007 Share Posted April 27, 2007 (edited) "How can you stay nonpolitical? You either agree with them..or you don't." Actually, it's very easy - once you finally realize that politics is a sideshow that entertains and deludes the masses into believing that what they think matters. This is a democracy, it is structured to maintain the power of the ruleing elite, yet lets the "people" feel like they can make a difference. It actually makes for a great show. tt's a comedy or farce. But people sure do believe... (double posted - had to remove) Edited April 27, 2007 by Viggen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoon Posted April 27, 2007 Share Posted April 27, 2007 Would bet a beer but not a single malt Scotch on this info. I understand Gavel worked for the NY Times at the time Daniel Ellsberg's release of the Pentagon Papers. The government would only give out redacted/censored copies of the papers even after they had been out in the public realm. Thus people (especially scholars) referred to the first complete set of the papers as the Gravel issue or release or something like that. The thing I find most interesting about his presence at the debate is that he is unknown, yet polls as high as several others who were there and who get a lot more coverage. I don't know anything about his tenure as Senator and didn't watch or listen to the "debate". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidball Posted April 27, 2007 Author Share Posted April 27, 2007 How can you stay nonpolitical? I am not nonpolitical. Just trying to keep this thread nonpolitical as per forum policy. Merely wanted to discuss the former senator from an entertainment point of view. You either agree with them..or you don't.Your either concerned with what's happening, or your not concerned. I am very concerned with "what's happening." Why else would I watch a Democratic debate, consisting primarily of people I loathe, NINETEEN MONTHS before a presidential election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.Hayden Posted April 27, 2007 Share Posted April 27, 2007 lol.. nice try.. I predict this thread has a short lifespan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidball Posted April 27, 2007 Author Share Posted April 27, 2007 (edited) lol.. nice try.. I predict this thread has a short lifespan. Yeah, and I am probably gonna be the one to screw it up. While I'm here, I also liked this part: "Five of the eight — Gravel, Biden, Dodd, Kucinich and Richardson — raised their hands when moderator Brian Williams of NBC News asked whether they had ever had a gun in their home." The three that did not raise their hands were Obama, Clinton, and Edwards - the Democratic front runners (ironically). Edited April 27, 2007 by davidball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singlestack Posted April 27, 2007 Share Posted April 27, 2007 This is a democracy, it is structured to maintain the power of the ruleing elite, yet lets the "people" feel like they can make a difference. Actually this is not a Democracy. It is a Representative Republic. A Democracy is Mob Rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viggen Posted April 27, 2007 Share Posted April 27, 2007 (edited) This is a democracy, it is structured to maintain the power of the ruleing elite, yet lets the "people" feel like they can make a difference. Actually this is not a Democracy. It is a Representative Republic. A Democracy is Mob Rule. Never mind, I'm trying to stay non-political today. Sorry I brought it up - can we agree that it's an Empire? Edited April 27, 2007 by Viggen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singlestack Posted April 27, 2007 Share Posted April 27, 2007 Never mind, I'm trying to stay non-political today. Sorry I brought it up - can we agree that it's an Empire? We can agree to disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDave Posted April 27, 2007 Share Posted April 27, 2007 Arthur: I am your king! Woman: Well, I didn't vote for you. Arthur: You don't vote for kings. Woman: Well, how did you become King, then? Arthur: The Lady of the Lake,... [angels sing] ...her arm clad in the purest shimmering samite, held aloft Excalibur from the bosom of the water signifying by Divine Providence that I, Arthur, was to carry Excalibur. [singing stops] That is why I am your king! Dennis: Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bountyhunter Posted April 27, 2007 Share Posted April 27, 2007 "How can you stay nonpolitical?You either agree with them..or you don't." Actually, it's very easy - once you finally realize that politics is a sideshow that entertains and deludes the masses into believing that what they think matters. This is a democracy, it is structured to maintain the power of the ruleing elite, yet lets the "people" feel like they can make a difference. "yet lets the "people" feel like they can make a difference." The people made a big difference at the last election. It changed the course of a war and the course of history. Emporer George had almost forgotten that in this country, the elctorate can (and sometimes do) rise up and slap the scumbags down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidball Posted April 27, 2007 Author Share Posted April 27, 2007 Mods - I apologize in advance . . . my thread about an entertaining candidate in a political debate has gone awry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eager Posted April 27, 2007 Share Posted April 27, 2007 I myself, just can't get enough of a good farcical aquatic ceremony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemo Posted April 27, 2007 Share Posted April 27, 2007 Arthur: I am your king!Woman: Well, I didn't vote for you. Arthur: You don't vote for kings. Woman: Well, how did you become King, then? Arthur: The Lady of the Lake,... [angels sing] ...her arm clad in the purest shimmering samite, held aloft Excalibur from the bosom of the water signifying by Divine Providence that I, Arthur, was to carry Excalibur. [singing stops] That is why I am your king! Dennis: Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony. I loved that one! Where is it from BigD? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.Hayden Posted April 27, 2007 Share Posted April 27, 2007 That's word for word from Monty Python and the Holy grail. BigD.. you must have the script? That's one hard to find book.. Mods - I apologize in advance . . . my thread about an entertaining candidate in a political debate has gone awry. lol... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micah Posted April 27, 2007 Share Posted April 27, 2007 Holy Grail Script Let's all read this and appreciate what true comedy is ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.Hayden Posted April 27, 2007 Share Posted April 27, 2007 Bender.. Thanks! (still looking for the book though) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singlestack Posted April 27, 2007 Share Posted April 27, 2007 Its good to be the King Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted April 27, 2007 Share Posted April 27, 2007 lol.. nice try.. I predict this thread has a short lifespan. me too. Its good to be the King I had THAT movie in the house last week. This week...Blazing Saddles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiG Lady Posted April 27, 2007 Share Posted April 27, 2007 I'm personally getting considerable subjective mileage from the humor in this phrase: "...some farcical aquatic ceremony." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micah Posted April 27, 2007 Share Posted April 27, 2007 Bender.. Thanks!(still looking for the book though) Is this your card? Linky to Scripty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.Hayden Posted April 27, 2007 Share Posted April 27, 2007 (edited) Bender.. Thanks! (still looking for the book though) Is this your card? Screw google.. I'm just calling you from now on.. It's not the real one though.. that one was done in 2002.. A resurgence in popularity? They're on eBay from time to time... (also I'm way guilty of thread stealing - but it's more likely to survive ) Edited April 27, 2007 by BerKim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ipscbob Posted April 27, 2007 Share Posted April 27, 2007 Bender.. Thanks!(still looking for the book though) A collection of ALL of the python scripts is available at Barnes and Noble. PM me for the ISBN if you need it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viggen Posted April 27, 2007 Share Posted April 27, 2007 (edited) Excellent.. Especially Monty Python and the Holy Grail..... Edited April 27, 2007 by Viggen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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