L9X25 Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 The 2007 Florida State Championship will be at the Universal Shooting Academy in Frostproof. The match dates are March 31 - April 1 2007. The entry form and additional information are available here:http://www.tbpc.org/FL07ENTRY.HTML Trophies by Division, Class, & Category Point Series Match 10 Stages - 270 Round ALL Cash Paid back after expenses... Cash based on shooter enrollment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Keen Posted November 28, 2006 Share Posted November 28, 2006 Point Series .... Cash Payback ......... :huh: Florida in April ................ Count me in! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L9X25 Posted January 3, 2007 Author Share Posted January 3, 2007 Been a while for this thread, and the match is getting closer, lets get it started again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Keen Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 Filled out my app. today. Love to hear something (anything) about the match. Stages ??? 1 day format, or 2 days ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L9X25 Posted January 4, 2007 Author Share Posted January 4, 2007 Chris, I will post more information as it becomes available. It will likely be the usual 2 day fromat and I am told that they will be using the "squad embeded RO" system that was used at the last Fl State match in Titusville, so I do not know if there will be shooting on Friday. Contrary to what some have said, this will not be an encore of the Florida Open. While many of the permanent props will likely be utilized, the stages will be new and different from the Open. The stages have not all been finalized and construction cannot begin until after the Open is complete. Manny will certainly have some challenging stuff for us to shoot. Leo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtypool40 Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 I'm in as an RO. Wife says I can't take a break, apparently I'm a bigger psycho when I don't shoot. Go figure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L9X25 Posted January 4, 2007 Author Share Posted January 4, 2007 Chris, To confirm my previous post, there is NO shooting on Friday. The range will be open for inspection of the stages but the RO's will be shooting on Saturday and Sunday with their squads. If anyone has any questions, feel free to ask. If I cannot answer them directly, I will pass them along to someone who can answer them and post the answers back here. Leo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotwings2001 Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 Embeded RO's???? Not my favorite way of shooting a big match. For my money I would prefer to have an RO incharge of each stage. That way everyone gets the same great guy or jack@$$ depending on what stage he is incharge of. But that is only "MY" opinion!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtypool40 Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 Tony.... Did you just call me "Embeded"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L9X25 Posted January 4, 2007 Author Share Posted January 4, 2007 I agree with you about it not being the optimal way to ensure parity but the cost of having dedicated RO's is becoming cost prohibitive on inexpensive matches. This seems to be the way of the future. I raised my concerns about this exact situation when it was proposed for the last big match in Titusville. Fortunately, the RO's were chosen carefully and the concerns did not materialize. There was one incident where a squad shot a stage in a manner that was later determined to be inconsistent with how others were allowed and it caused a re-shoot of that stage by all the squad. I would not consider this a major flaw as it was easily corrected. I believe that the RO's for this match are also being chosen carefully to keep everything fair. Now that I hear that Eric is an "Embeded" RO, I am starting to worry about how carefully they are screening the RO's .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Keen Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 (edited) Uggggggh! I guess I can see the financial reason for doing that, but it dosent sit well with me. The goal for ANY MAJOR MATCH should be no-reshoots. Period. But I suppose if it is run as professionaly as can be, then it should work out. I can already see that 2007 is going to be the year of "much turmoil" in the USPSA structure. Edited January 4, 2007 by CHRIS KEEN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L9X25 Posted January 4, 2007 Author Share Posted January 4, 2007 Chris, I think that embeded RO's will become more and common, unless significant issues arise that cannot not be resolved. At this point they have been used several times, without incident, and the cost benefits cannot be ignored. While the goal of no re-shoots is admirable, having dedicated RO's is no guarantee that there will be no re-shoots or that the match will run smoothly. Leo Uggggggh! I guess I can see the financial reason for doing that, but it dosent sit well with me. The goal for ANY MAJOR MATCH should be no-reshoots. Period.But I suppose if it is run as professionaly as can be, then it should work out. I can already see that 2007 is going to be the year of "much turmoil" in the USPSA structure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Keen Posted January 6, 2007 Share Posted January 6, 2007 So, just to confirm there is no way to shoot this match in 1 day ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBlaster Posted January 6, 2007 Share Posted January 6, 2007 Hey folks, the RO's running with the squads, I'll take responsibility for, it allows us to be able to have less expenses, and it should be real easy, because we are "trying" to make every stage's start position standing anywhere in the shooting area, hands relaxed at sides!!!! then you have no problems with a start position. should be a real hoot of a match!!!! we've got some unique stages!!!!!! Manny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L9X25 Posted January 6, 2007 Author Share Posted January 6, 2007 Chris, As of this moment there is only one way to shoot the match and that is on Saturday and Sunday. With 10 stages, there is going to be a lot of shooting at this match. So, just to confirm there is no way to shoot this match in 1 day ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharyn Posted January 6, 2007 Share Posted January 6, 2007 (edited) I raised my concerns about this exact situation when it was proposed for the last big match in Titusville. Fortunately, the RO's were chosen carefully and the concerns did not materialize. There was one incident where a squad shot a stage in a manner that was later determined to be inconsistent with how others were allowed and it caused a re-shoot of that stage by all the squad. I would not consider this a major flaw as it was easily corrected. I believe that the RO's for this match are also being chosen carefully to keep everything fair. Although a fan of dirtypool40, I am not a fan of embedded ROs. The incident you mention is a prime example (if we're thinking of the same one ). As a shooter, with traveling and expenses, the extra burden on the squad does not make for an enjoyable match. Let alone assuming RO duties, while trying to focus on the competition, "that" situation and the arguments and mud slinging that followed may have been avoided with a dedicated RO. edited to add: oops! I'm referring to FL Sectional, but same idea. Manny, good course design and description are part of a great match. I don't have a clue about the finances involved in putting on such a match. However, I'm not so sure cutting costs where ROs are concerned is the best solution. From my perspective, ROs are the backbone of a fair and consistant match, which is of utmost importance in competition. We all know that despite a perfect world, every RO is not exactly the same. At least with dedicated ROs, everyone is subjected to the same amount of (mis)interpretation of the rules. With my move to St. Pete this month and starting a new job in February, I don't know what my schedule is going to be. Should I have the time off, I'd be happy to help where you need. Edited January 6, 2007 by Sharyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemo Posted January 6, 2007 Share Posted January 6, 2007 Although a fan of dirtypool40, I am not a fan of embedded ROs. The incident you mention is a prime example (if we're thinking of the same one ). As a shooter, with traveling and expenses, the extra burden on the squad does not make for an enjoyable match. Let alone assuming RO duties, while trying to focus on the competition, "that" situation and the arguments and mud slinging that followed may have been avoided with a dedicated RO.edited to add: oops! I'm referring to FL Sectional, but same idea. I agree wit Sharyn, I remember the FL Sectional squad re-shoot, however don't recall any mud slinging. Manny, good course design and description are part of a great match. I don't have a clue about the finances involved in putting on such a match. However, I'm not so sure cutting costs where ROs are concerned is the best solution. From my perspective, ROs are the backbone of a fair and consistant match, which is of utmost importance in competition. We all know that despite a perfect world, every RO is not exactly the same. At least with dedicated ROs, everyone is subjected to the same amount of (mis)interpretation of the rules. Again, I agree. With my move to St. Pete this month and starting a new job in February, I don't know what my schedule is going to be. Should I have the time off, I'd be happy to help where you need. Moving to St. Pete? Cool! Welcome to the gunshine State, Ms Cohen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharyn Posted January 6, 2007 Share Posted January 6, 2007 I agree wit Sharyn, I remember the FL Sectional squad re-shoot, however don't recall any mud slinging. Oh, man, you missed out! We all went down to the creek, under the bridge... Seriously, I even heard crap when I talked with Mike Voigt about it at Nationals. Moving to St. Pete? Cool! Welcome to the gunshine State, Ms Cohen! Thank ya! I'm excited! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L9X25 Posted January 6, 2007 Author Share Posted January 6, 2007 Sharyn, If you hang around with that "motley crew" of troublemakers you should expect mudslinging! I get the feeling you are going to get accustomed to it and will eventually learn to ignore it. Leo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schoonie Posted January 7, 2007 Share Posted January 7, 2007 Ah come on Leo, we're not that bad The embedded RO thing should work if everybody is up to date on the current rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharyn Posted January 7, 2007 Share Posted January 7, 2007 If you hang around with that "motley crew" of troublemakers you should expect mudslinging! I get the feeling you are going to get accustomed to it and will eventually learn to ignore it. I almost said... "You mean, Jim?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandro Posted January 7, 2007 Share Posted January 7, 2007 (edited) Hey folks,the RO's running with the squads, I'll take responsibility for, it allows us to be able to have less expenses, and it should be real easy, because we are "trying" to make every stage's start position standing anywhere in the shooting area, hands relaxed at sides!!!! then you have no problems with a start position. should be a real hoot of a match!!!! we've got some unique stages!!!!!! Manny I am looking forward to this match Manny. I am sure it will be fine. Sandro Edited January 7, 2007 by Sandro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hf219 Posted January 7, 2007 Share Posted January 7, 2007 I would like to say that last years FL. State Champ. match was amazing. This was was my first match in USPSA and its the reason im still involved with the sport. Shooting over two days, getting to know people from other areas of the country with the same interests, different backgrounds. The stages were long, the R.O.'s were enthusiastic and reasonable. Not a bad thing to say about any single thing that was done. Derek had a little bit of trouble with some of the props on Friday when the R.O.'s shot. He was able to correct the problems and each R.O. was able to see how each stage would be run. I use that match as an example how every match should be conducted. I really dislike shooting matches in half day formats or one day formats. Espsecially when they try to fit in 8+ stages whith 10+ shooters per squad. You dont get a chance to enjoy watching other shooters run through a stage, because your racing through to finish in a timely manner. Last years format was perfect as a new shooter. I could see other shooters run through a stage and get a better outlook on how a stage should be broken down. I enjoy this sport and utilize it to relax and refresh myself after working all week long. I know the sport is highely competitive as so am I. The initial attraction I had with this sport is for the reasons I listed above. Maybe a different financial resolution can afford having R.O.'s shoot on friday. After all $100.00 per shooter is not so cheap and a match of this magnitude and attraction draws people from around the country. Ill be there (in the middle of my family vacation), maybe divorced by Sunday, Ill be there and cant wait till im there. Thank you for a great match last year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Kline Posted January 7, 2007 Share Posted January 7, 2007 Sharyn moving to our area (St Pete)?????? Good deal and welcome. I guess we'll start seeing you on Fri nights at WAC for the Fri night mini match as well as the Tues night SS matches now??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cliffwalsh Posted January 8, 2007 Share Posted January 8, 2007 We are going to start Sharyn's revolver training very soon so she will be ready for the Florida State Match....Right??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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