Singlestack Wonder Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 (edited) Has anyone had any experience with this new offering from EAA (Tanfoglio)? The price is certainly right ($579 list). With it's single action trigger, a 9mm version would be the ticket for IDPA's ESP division. EAA Witness Elite Match Edited November 18, 2006 by Singlestack Wonder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasmap Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 Check out Henning's site and email him with any questions you might have about it. He knows these guns well. www.henningshootsguns.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 They are definitely very nice. I just picked up a new one in .40 for that same reason, to try out for ESP! I love the gun it's really nice, but i'm making my final decisions between it and my STI setup for IDPA... decisions, decisions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe D Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 I may just have to get one of these. $388 plus shipping and tax seems reasonable to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 WOW! thats a GREAT price!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe D Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 Can I assume that CZ mags will work in this gun? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resjudicata Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 Can I assume that CZ mags will work in this gun? Not anymore. All the new Witness models are made off the widebody 38 Super/45ACP frame. They are wider than the standard CZ frame. I don't know if a CZ IPSC widebody mag will fit but the Witness factory mags are cheaper than the CZ widebody IPSC mags anyway. Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe D Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 (edited) Guess you would get them from EAA? Any other source? Is the Witness on the same size frame as the CZ Champion? I handled one once. The frame seemed a little different than the CZ75 frame. Maybe it was just the grips. Edited November 21, 2006 by Joe D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singlestack Wonder Posted November 21, 2006 Author Share Posted November 21, 2006 Guess you would get them from EAA? Any other source? Is the Witness on the same size frame as the CZ Champion? I handled one once. The frame seemed a little different than the CZ75 frame. Maybe it was just the grips. One can order the mags at: EAA I ordered the pistol with 4-18 round mags. With shipping and tax, the total was $534. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resjudicata Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 Guess you would get them from EAA? Any other source? Is the Witness on the same size frame as the CZ Champion? I handled one once. The frame seemed a little different than the CZ75 frame. Maybe it was just the grips. I don't know for sure about the CZ Champion. I think it is made using a standard size CZ frame. You could check with Matt Mink, he would know for sure. Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 Guess you would get them from EAA? Any other source? Is the Witness on the same size frame as the CZ Champion? I handled one once. The frame seemed a little different than the CZ75 frame. Maybe it was just the grips. I don't know for sure about the CZ Champion. I think it is made using a standard size CZ frame. You could check with Matt Mink, he would know for sure. Chris CZ Champion = SMALL cz frame and mags. I.e., max OAL = 1.160". Same size as old Springfield P9 and most current CZ 9mm incl. SP-01, CZ75/85. NOTE: the new Tactical Sport = mid sized CZ mag. & not interchangeable w/ small framed guns. The CZ 97B .45 uses "large" frame CZ mags. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
half inch groups Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 looks like a baby eagle frame. I have a BE compact and was wondering if it was possible to change the slide/barrel to a 5" Witness? its an SA/DA. I know the frame is shorter, but does it matter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe D Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 This is starting to get a little confusing. Does the Witness Elite then use the same size mags as the Tactical Sport? I take it that the Elite has a smaller grip than the CZ97B, but larger than the CZ75. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Moneypenny Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 Hey folks. I shot one of these with a mag well and base pads added at IDPA nationals this year. something happened to my brain and I made every error I could without getting DQ'd. The gun is awesome I shoot a DA (stock) in production and 40 "limited" in limited class. It will fit in the box with a shaved magazine well and factory base pads. but comes in dead on the money for weight in ESP. NO CZ MAGS WORK! (just for emphasis) EAA's mags are longer (front to back) and accept 38 super, 10mm and 45 ACP sized ammo, 9mm mags mostly have spacers) Magazines can be bought at EAA and are $25 each if you buy 2 or more. I will also be carrying various parts and offering custom services on these guns starting (hopefully) in January If you have any questions or I can help you in any way PM, or email me for fastest response... I'll try to keep up on this post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singlestack Wonder Posted November 21, 2006 Author Share Posted November 21, 2006 (edited) You may get a lot of questions Steve since this is a lot of pistol for a low price. I remember when the EAA pistols were very popular in IPSC. Very reliable and cost competitive. You mentioned that you shot the Production Nationals using one. I assume it was one of the Witness Elite Stock models which has a DA trigger. How did it perform? What was the DA and SA trigger pull? Edited November 21, 2006 by Singlestack Wonder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidmedley Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 How many mags come with these pistols? I had a chance to handle one and for the money don't think they can be beat. Even with money as no object I think it would be tough to beat. It will be my next limited blaster! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Moneypenny Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 Single Stack yes, it was the DA model, my DA triggers are between 7 and 8.5 pounds (depending on age of springs) SA was about 2-2.5 again depending on springs. The trigger work I do on a Stock model is pretty extensive, it will probabally be in $150 once I get set up to do them. David. One magazine comes with it. Currently I think the best bang for the buck is the Limited model (which is around seven and a half dealer) it is very agressively checkered, with a mag well and the full lenght dust cover does make a bit of difference as does the bull barrel. As time permits I am working on improving the triggers reset on both DA and SA models with shorter egw sears and custom internal over travel stop, possibly even a hammer much like Angus does for the CZ framed guns. I'm ok with lots of questions, I just hope I can answer them all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hallmatt Posted November 29, 2006 Share Posted November 29, 2006 I may just have to get one of these. $388 plus shipping and tax seems reasonable to me. Guess you would get them from EAA? Any other source? Is the Witness on the same size frame as the CZ Champion? I handled one once. The frame seemed a little different than the CZ75 frame. Maybe it was just the grips. One can order the mags at: EAA I ordered the pistol with 4-18 round mags. With shipping and tax, the total was $534. hi guys, i'm looking to get one these also. do you mind sharing your source so i can get a great deal too? i realize this might be seen as shady for a first post, but i'm just gettin into competing and this pistol is great for my budget. so far, i've been using my H&K compact in CDP. One of my dealers wont go outside of his regular distributors and the other said he can only get it at list price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singlestack Wonder Posted November 29, 2006 Author Share Posted November 29, 2006 hi guys, i'm looking to get one these also. do you mind sharing your source so i can get a great deal too? Just have your your FFL buddy call EAA direct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldchar Posted November 30, 2006 Share Posted November 30, 2006 Let me pitch in- I have had an EAA Ltd (formerly open) since the mid090's. At that time they built the 38 super and 45 ACP on a heavier frame with mags which were (lengthened-widened?) for the longer super and 45 rnds. The 9's continued in the standard CZ format . They decided to drop the traditional CZ length (referring to round length in the magazines) so they would work with only one platform. There is no way that short rounds are not going to be impacted on feed reliability. I went out and bought one of their 9mm barrels and it essentially dropped in. Immediately ran into the expected nose dive routine due to the rounds being too short. The magazines I had ,even though marked 9mm, did not have the spacer found in 1911 magazines. Maybe they have changed things lately? The feed ramps are steep and on 9mm hollow points, to get them to feed properly, I throated the heck out of the ramp- remember I still had my super barrel. It now feeds everything 9mm but to get it to do so I had to lower the angle on the ramp so far I ended up with an partially unsupported chamber. It is fine with standard loads but +p and +p+ rounds are scary. I talked with Starline and they said use new brass and forget reloads of range brass and everything should be fine. Great gun but I think should have kept two frames to accomodate different length rounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singlestack Wonder Posted December 9, 2006 Author Share Posted December 9, 2006 Steve: Will you be stocking various weights of recoil springs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmlong Posted December 11, 2006 Share Posted December 11, 2006 I currently have 2 Witness Match .40 (1 of them is the wifes). Only about 750 rnds through each, but great shooting pistols and no problems as of yet. I also have a 10mm Witness that has always performed flawlessly. I am new here, so I got in on this a little late, but I like to put in a good word for a Witness when I get the chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hallmatt Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 hi guys, i'm looking to get one these also. do you mind sharing your source so i can get a great deal too? Just have your your FFL buddy call EAA direct. ok, its been a while, but i got an FFL buddy to call EAA. No Match pistols available until February. oh and 460 plus tax, so its the same $$ area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe D Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 Acusports has them at a little over $400. They were $388 a couple of weeks ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike_pinto Posted December 28, 2006 Share Posted December 28, 2006 Acusports has them at a little over $400. They were $388 a couple of weeks ago. Website? Contact info? Thanks.. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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